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  1. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 705
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 15007
       14 Oct 2015 #231

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    All's I can say is that an educated shopper saves money on the best value offered. IOW, shop around.
    Hehehe.. I got it!
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  2.    14 Oct 2015 #232

    magilla said: View Post
    That makes perfect since to me, as individual licensing is different from corporate licensure.
    Its one thing to recommend going to the marketplace for a person who is knowledgeable about the hazards of the marketplace when it comes to Windows. Its another to recommend to a novice family member or friend or to someone I don't know much about to do so. If I have any doubts about a person's skill in avoiding the pitfalls of non-Microsoft sources of Microsoft software I recommend buying 10 from an authorized Microsoft dealer or Microsoft directly. In those cases I NEVER even mention buying outside the channel (buying 7 or 8 from third party sources) instead of buying in-channel.
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  3. Joined : Nov 2013
    Chicagoland
    Posts : 20,775
    Tower: W8.1; Laptop: W10 Pro build 10586; Windows Phone 8
       14 Oct 2015 #233

    jyusa said: View Post
    You're right, but face the truth and that was my wrong believe that MS would be all consistent in their way of policies. But like many others, why would some of us should be sacrificed? I believe many of us here have the same questions!
    Ok. I see what you're getting at now, but was not the free offer offered to those with qualifying OSs off the bat?
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  4. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 705
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 15007
       14 Oct 2015 #234

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Ok. I see what you're getting at now, but was not the free offer offered to those with qualifying OSs off the bat?
    No, theses selective clients I was recommended were building virgin systems in tiny small business or family orientated friends.
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  5. Joined : Nov 2013
    Chicagoland
    Posts : 20,775
    Tower: W8.1; Laptop: W10 Pro build 10586; Windows Phone 8
       14 Oct 2015 #235

    jyusa said: View Post
    No, theses selective clients I was recommended were building virgin systems in tiny small business or family orientated friends.
    I see. I'd probably cringe if I had a prior license and bought a new one too. Those that haven't should pay as we all did.

    If I were you, I wouldn't bring that up. Our mother taught us that what people don't know won't hurt them.

    MS did one on me when upon the release of 8 I went and bought an OEM key with media for $110.00, when after all was said and done I should've taken them up on the upgrade offer for $30. Had I'd known they would release 8.1 so soon I would've waited. To add insult to injury, I wasn't eligible for the 8.1 ISO download due to the OEM key. So now when I have to fresh install I have to install 8 then download and install 8.1 via the Store. A PITA to say the least. Lesson learned there!
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  6. Joined : Dec 2013
    Portsmouth Hampshire
    Posts : 1,195
    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       14 Oct 2015 #236

    Kari said: View Post
    @BillyBob, it looks that you are right. I had to test this, have just now finished installing Windows 10 Pro Build 10565, a clean & fresh install on a machine that has never before had any kind of Windows installed and was most certainly not flagged as valid for Windows 10 activation by MS activation servers.

    I used a retail Windows 8.1 Pro key for this installation, it was accepted without issues and Windows 10 is permanently activated, partial key showing the generic Windows 10 key although installation and activation was done with a 8.1 Pro key. Anyway, no issues whatsoever, Windows 10 is activated on a new machine with a Windows 8.1 key without any previous Windows installations, qualifying or not.

    @Cbarnhorst, @Wynona, see above, looks you read it wrong.

    Kari
    I have not been an insider as far as CORE editions of Windows 10 is concerned, only Pro, so I wanted to get hold of Build 10565 Core Edition to see if an OEM key would give digital entitlement for upgrade. It does, apparently.

    I downloaded build 10565 CORE edition x86 as an ISO from Mega.NZ, started setup on my "never seen Windows 7 or 8" Test Fujitsu Siemens Desktop, and inserted the never before used OEM product key from the COA of a defunct Packard Bell Netbook originally preinstalled with Windows 7 Starter when asked by setup.

    The product key was accepted and setup completed normally.

    I have used a local account only on this installation.

    Build 10240 CORE edition x86 has never activated on this PC although I have several builds of Windows 10 Pro activated on it. I don't believe there is cross-edition digital entitlement is there?

    The build 10565 CORE edition is activated with a digital entitlement, and surprisingly a RETAIL CORE key:
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  7.    14 Oct 2015 #237

    Keep in mind that all of these activations are on build 10565. We won't know the rest of the story until Threshold 2 goes to the general public and we have a new .iso on the Media Creation Tool site.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2014
    Polk County Texas USA
    Posts : 11,692
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       14 Oct 2015 #238

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    Not necessarily. This could be an insider feature only. It may well NOT be in the Threshold 2 rollout to the general public. It may only be intended for insiders in trouble with unactivated builds based on clean installs during the pre-release period. I would hold fire about any release to the GP until it happens.
    OK . . . change my wording to what might be in the service releases. I agree that not everything we're testing will get into any service releases Microsoft sends out.
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  9. Joined : Oct 2014
    Polk County Texas USA
    Posts : 11,692
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       14 Oct 2015 #239

    Gary said: View Post
    MS should do more to test before they release a build. This build 10565 is just a re-branded version of 10558 which performed much better than what they sent to the fast ring
    Ummm, testing is our job. If Microsoft sent out a finished product there would be no reason for the Insider Program and we'd all be out of a job!
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  10. Joined : Oct 2014
    Polk County Texas USA
    Posts : 11,692
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       14 Oct 2015 #240

    Kari said: View Post
    <snip>

    I would never recommend nor encourage anyone to buy a full Windows 10 license with full price as long as this free upgrade is available until the end of June 2016. Instead I would recommend everyone, friends and family alike as well as business partners, small entrepreneurs to buy Windows 7 or 8.1 with a license, then use the free upgrade option. Simply and only to save a hundred bucks or more.

    This does of course not apply corporate environment; the reasonable limit in my opinion to go the upgrade route is a few computers. In corporate environment where volume licensing is possible I would of course recommend going straight for Windows 10 licenses.

    <snip>

    Kari
    Until the "upgrade year" is up, I would do exactly as you would, Kari. There's no reason for anyone to spend more than they have to for Windows 10. Microsoft made the rules and there's certainly no "dishonor" in adhering to those rules.
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