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  1.    14 Oct 2015 #221
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    I had encouraged several my clients bought full retail Windows 10 Pro. What I'm gonna tell them that when they found Windows 7/8/8.1 Pro are a lot cheaper and would do the same work later?
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  2.    14 Oct 2015 #222
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    For those of the geeks and pros should be careful how you are declare yourself the position when changes like this!
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  3.    14 Oct 2015 #223
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyusa View Post
    I had encouraged several my clients bought full retail Windows 10 Pro. What I'm gonna tell them that when they found Windows 7/8/8.1 Pro are a lot cheaper and would do the same work later?
    First the niceties out of the way: I have nothing against you, quite the contrary, I respect your knowledge and generally like your posts. What I am going to say is in no way meant to be taken personally, I am simply stating the truth or rather a truth as I see it, my sincere and honest opinion.

    I would never recommend nor encourage anyone to buy a full Windows 10 license with full price as long as this free upgrade is available until the end of June 2016. Instead I would recommend everyone, friends and family alike as well as business partners, small entrepreneurs to buy Windows 7 or 8.1 with a license, then use the free upgrade option. Simply and only to save a hundred bucks or more.

    This does of course not apply corporate environment; the reasonable limit in my opinion to go the upgrade route is a few computers. In corporate environment where volume licensing is possible I would of course recommend going straight for Windows 10 licenses.

    Still in speaking terms?

    Kari
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  4.    14 Oct 2015 #224
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    First the niceties out of the way: I have nothing against you, quite the contrary, I respect your knowledge and generally like your posts. What I am going to say is in no way meant to be taken personally, I am simply stating the truth or rather a truth as I see it, my sincere and honest opinion.

    I would never recommend nor encourage anyone to buy a full Windows 10 license with full price as long as this free upgrade is available until the end of June 2016. Instead I would recommend everyone, friends and family alike as well as business partners, small entrepreneurs to buy Windows 7 or 8.1 with a license, then use the free upgrade option. Simply and only to save a hundred bucks or more.

    This does of course not apply corporate environment; the reasonable limit in my opinion to go the upgrade route is a few computers. In corporate environment where volume licensing is possible I would of course recommend going straight for Windows 10 licenses.

    Still in speaking terms?

    Kari
    That makes perfect sense to me, as individual licensing is different from corporate licensure.
    Last edited by magilla; 14 Oct 2015 at 18:40.
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  5.    14 Oct 2015 #225
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    I think part of the MS reasoning is cost cutting. By getting as many to switch to 10 as possible the OS base of support will be cut due to the fact it's a single platform. It may not sound like much but it you have to change code in one place it's cheaper in the long run than doing the same change in multiple places. And don't forget about testing issues. I for one would love that because testing is the real pain and the time consumer, costs..
    Agree. As a coder you would know. Coding is probably MS's #1 expense. Of course since it's always been a software company and always will be their mainstay, although there are many companies that have great coding departments. All that I stated is just a portion of their business plan. Not saying I know their total plan. No one but the board knows that. Pure speculation on my part. However one can see the footprints (company history) left behind to know the direction they're going. Seems like they have changed direction with a vengeance. It's ok to nudge, but don't push people too hard.

    One huge mistake MS made was ignoring the mobile market for too long. Why they couldn't read future market analysis is beyond me. Too "high" on the "90% of the tower market" due to their stronghold in Enterprise perhaps. Water over the dam, but they are starting to dig into the mobile market quite nicely. I think the Surface and Pro Book with 10 on them will help sell Windows Phones so to pair and sync. Continuum is another plus.

    They need more mobile apps and need to get developers to write the Windows apps along with Apple and Android apps. That's their weakest point in that market right now.
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  6.    14 Oct 2015 #226
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    First the niceties out of the way: I have nothing against you, quite the contrary, I respect your knowledge and generally like your posts. What I am going to say is in no way meant to be taken personally, I am simply stating the truth or rather a truth as I see it, my sincere and honest opinion.

    I would never recommend nor encourage anyone to buy a full Windows 10 license with full price as long as this free upgrade is available until the end of June 2016. Instead I would recommend everyone, friends and family alike as well as business partners, small entrepreneurs to buy Windows 7 or 8.1 with a license, then use the free upgrade option. Simply and only to save a hundred bucks or more.

    This does of course not apply corporate environment; the reasonable limit in my opinion to go the upgrade route is a few computers. In corporate environment where volume licensing is possible I would of course recommend going straight for Windows 10 licenses.

    Still in speaking terms?

    Kari
    You're right, but face the truth and that was my wrong believe that MS would be all consistent in their way of policies. But like many others, why would some of us should be sacrificed? I believe many of us here have the same questions!
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  7.    14 Oct 2015 #227
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    You are of course right in that sense that MS should have thought of this earlier; this activation method they told us now, almost three months after the release of Windows 10 and a quarter in to the free upgrade period, it should have been made functioning and public the day they started to sell Windows 10.
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  8.    14 Oct 2015 #228
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    You are of course right in that sense that MS should have thought of this earlier; this activation method they told us now, almost three months after the release of Windows 10 and a quarter in to the free upgrade period, it should have been made functioning and public the day they started to sell Windows 10.
    That's exactly what I was expected!
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  9.    14 Oct 2015 #229
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyusa View Post
    Very good Hippsie!!! But one question remains: Don't the people so discouraging when MS doing this while they've paid Windows 10 Pro at $199.99? Refund?
    All's I can say is that an educated shopper saves money on the best value offered. IOW, shop around.
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  10.    14 Oct 2015 #230
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Agree. As a coder you would know. Coding is probably MS's #1 expense. Of course since it's always been a software company and always will be their mainstay, although there are many companies that have great coding departments. All that I stated is just a portion of their business plan. Not saying I know their total plan. No one but the board knows that. Pure speculation on my part. However one can see the footprints (company history) left behind to know the direction they're going. Seems like they have changed direction with a vengeance. It's ok to nudge, but don't push people too hard.

    One huge mistake MS made was ignoring the mobile market for too long. Why they couldn't read future market analysis is beyond me. Too "high" on the "90% of the tower market" due to their stronghold in Enterprise perhaps. Water over the dam, but they are starting to dig into the mobile market quite nicely. I think the Surface and Pro Book with 10 on them will help sell Windows Phones so to pair and sync. Continuum is another plus.

    They need more mobile apps and need to get developers to write the Windows apps along with Apple and Android apps. That's their weakest point in that market right now.
    I doubt if MS can make huge in roads in the mobile market. Apple has been around way too long and has such a good product that it would take a huge effort for MS to match it.

    In the end MS is a software company and not a hardware company. IMO
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