Windows 10: Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 10565 Insider

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  1.    14 Oct 2015 #211

    Found a problem with this build. I noticed that using Firefox, there is a higher cpu usage when running a video stream in 12 tabs with a local file. I didn't have this in 10240 stable.

    Also, I lost bluetooth connectivity randomly a couple times when my Logitech bt keyboard/mouse quit working. It started working again when I plugged in my Logitech unifying receiver and then it happened a second time when I tried to play a Youtube video. Went to settings with a usb keyboard and they showed connected. So I unpaired and repaired them both after this happened twice.
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  2.    14 Oct 2015 #212

    Wynona said: View Post
    And now I will say that my understanding is that what we're previewing as Insiders is what will be "service releases" to RTM Build 10240. Even if Build 10565 were to be pronounced stable with no bugs, it won't be released to the public. Too many things could/would go wrong.
    Eventually some of the upgrades to the RTM will be applied and so will the new activation method, I suspect that the updates to the RTM will receive ones that will be the ones that will continue to let it be stable as possible
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  3.    14 Oct 2015 #213

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    Not necessarily. This could be an insider feature only. It may well NOT be in the Threshold 2 rollout to the general public. It may only be intended for insiders in trouble with unactivated builds based on clean installs during the pre-release period. I would hold fire about any release to the GP until it happens.
    Not including this feature for future public roll outs would be silly. Why put that feature in if there's no plan to release it?
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  4. Posts : 1,563
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       14 Oct 2015 #214

    Details on changes for Windows 10 activation in Threshold 2


    QUOTEAlong with the activation changes in build 10565, Microsoft has also modified the Settings>Update & Security>Activation page to indicate whether or not your device is activated via a digital entitlement.
    You can learn more about digital entitlement in Windows 10 by visiting Microsoft's Activation in Windows 10 page.

    These activation changes will not be available to everyone until Microsoft releases the Threshold 2 update for public use and that is expected sometime in November.
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-in-windows-10

    Source: http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/d...on-threshold-2
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  5.    14 Oct 2015 #215

    up and running with no problems so far
    even edge is working again
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    Dual boot Windows 10 Pro x 64 CU build 15063 & Insider Build 16273
       14 Oct 2015 #216

    Kari said: View Post
    This is pure speculation, only my personal subjective opinion, only based on facts as we know them at the moment: It looks that MS has deliberately chosen a lenient activation policy, at least for this first year they promised free upgrades to all those running a qualifying OS.

    The fact that it now seems to be possible to activate Windows 10 on a clean install, new hardware using a Windows 7 or 8.1 product key does not change the policy MS has chosen in any other way than removing one unnecessary step. For MS it is totally irrelevant how the qualifying OS and its key is used, either first installing the qualifying old OS and activating it with its key, then upgrading it to an activated Windows 10, or letting the consumer do it easier without needing to install the old OS first but instead, use the old key directly on a clean install. The end result is the same, an activated Windows 10.

    In that sense, MS is here basically making a big favor for us users, letting us to save time in case we have a qualifying product key, a clean install without the time needed to first install the old OS and then upgrade it.

    Another question is then that it also looks that especially the retail keys, both Windows 7 and 8.1 can seemingly be reused. This is the part I do not understand; it looks at the moment that I could install Windows 10 on several virgin computers (= new hardware, never had any qualifying OS) using one and same 7 or 8.1 key. Buy one key, install on 10 computers. That is in my opinion wrong and not as MS had intended. We'll see if this remains as it is now or if it will change.

    Kari
    That’s some great testing with activation, Kari. My hat off to you, sir!

    As my personal subjective opinion from a business point of view to help answer some questions is that I think MS has deliberately chosen a lenient activation policy as one of the reasons is to get 10 on as many machines/devices ASAP. “Get it free” is another. One indication is the push to get gwx upgrade program (gwx.exe/ Get Windows 10' (GWX) icon in system tray) on all 7/8/8.1 machines that when the icon is pushed one is offered “Get 10 free”. They recently reintroduced another optional update, but with a severity rating of important, of which we have to thwart off our 7/8/8.1 systems if we so desire not to have or see it. Quite pushy IMO.

    Why such the push with gwx.exe and “free”? One is to attract the pirates with “free” to get them on the legally activated side. I’m sure there are a certain percentage of “pure pirates” that simply hack their way along without paying a red cent on products. Another percentage that have legit 7 keys that hacked their way with 8 and/or 8.1. And yet another is to get the legit users upgraded to 10. “Free” along with the liberated activation is pretty attractive to say the least.

    OK, so why the big push for 10? Why would MS give up all that revenue instead of selling the OS? I think they’re simply mimicking the Apple and Google business models. A combination of the two really. “If you can’t beat them, then join them” type approach. Who takes tech and makes it better than what MS can? They’ve proven that over and over through the years.

    Apple’s main mainstay revenue is the sale of devices. Good quality at high prices, no doubt. They also make good revenue on sales of apps, music, movies, and the like. Nothing on the OS, although it’s included in the high price of devices. In light of MS’s device event last week, they are proving they can be a “device” type company or at least a division within. IMO performing it better than Apple due to the fact that their mainstream is software products. All that they showed at the event is great, but that new Pro Book is a great piece of tech to include hardware, software, and services combined.

    Google’s mainstay revenue is a search engine integrated in free Android included in cheap devices for the purpose of advertising. Their “Billions Dollar Baby”. Cortana powered by Bing is integrated into 10, although it doesn’t need to be accepted upon 10 install. Most will accept it, therefore ad revenue for MS. Well aware that, along with ads in apps, this is controversial, but if we want free apps and OS then we must accept all the pieces of the pie, otherwise we need to look elsewhere. I think the “one year free” trial period is a “wait to see how it goes for revenue” period. If MS generates enough revenue from 10 overall, then I think we can expect to see the OS continually offered for free. “Free” as in Android, OSX, and Linux free, BTW.

    Just to let you know, Kari > I’m navigating the Start menu configured full screen much better now.
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  7.    14 Oct 2015 #217

    I think part of the MS reasoning is cost cutting. By getting as many to switch to 10 as possible the OS base of support will be cut due to the fact it's a single platform. It may not sound like much but it you have to change code in one place it's cheaper in the long run than doing the same change in multiple places. And don't forget about testing issues. I for one would love that because testing is the real pain and the time consumer, costs..
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       14 Oct 2015 #218

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    I think part of the MS reasoning is cost cutting. By getting as many to switch to 10 as possible the OS base of support will be cut due to the fact it's a single platform. It may not sound like much but it you have to change code in one place it's cheaper in the long run than doing the same change in multiple places. And don't forget about testing issues. I for one would love that because testing is the real pain and the time consumer, costs..
    MS should do more to test before they release a build. This build 10565 is just a re-branded version of 10558 which performed much better than what they sent to the fast ring
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  9.    14 Oct 2015 #219

    Gary said: View Post
    MS should do more to test before they release a build. This build 10565 is just a re-branded version of 10558 which performed much better than what they sent to the fast ring
    I'm sorry but MS can't test for every PC set up and condition. With the insider program MS can get feedback on what needs to be fixed.
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  10. Posts : 771
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 16362
       14 Oct 2015 #220

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    That’s some great testing with activation, Kari. My hat off to you, sir!

    As my personal subjective opinion from a business point of view to help answer some questions is that I think MS has deliberately chosen a lenient activation policy as one of the reasons is to get 10 on as many machines/devices ASAP. “Get it free” is another. One indication is the push to get gwx upgrade program (gwx.exe/ Get Windows 10' (GWX) icon in system tray) on all 7/8/8.1 machines that when the icon is pushed one is offered “Get 10 free”. They recently reintroduced another optional update, but with a severity rating of important, of which we have to thwart off our 7/8/8.1 systems if we so desire not to have or see it. Quite pushy IMO.

    Why such the push with gwx.exe and “free”? One is to attract the pirates with “free” to get them on the legally activated side. I’m sure there are a certain percentage of “pure pirates” that simply hack their way along without paying a red cent on products. Another percentage that have legit 7 keys that hacked their way with 8 and/or 8.1. And yet another is to get the legit users upgraded to 10. “Free” along with the liberated activation is pretty attractive to say the least.

    OK, so why the big push for 10? Why would MS give up all that revenue instead of selling the OS? I think they’re simply mimicking the Apple and Google business models. A combination of the two really. “If you can’t beat them, then join them” type approach. Who takes tech and makes it better than what MS can? They’ve proven that over and over through the years.

    Apple’s main mainstay revenue is the sale of devices. Good quality at high prices, no doubt. They also make good revenue on sales of apps, music, movies, and the like. Nothing on the OS, although it’s included in the high price of devices. In light of MS’s device event last week, they are proving they can be a “device” type company or at least a division within. IMO performing it better than Apple due to the fact that their mainstream is software products. All that they showed at the event is great, but that new Pro Book is a great piece of tech to include hardware, software, and services combined.

    Google’s mainstay revenue is a search engine integrated in free Android included in cheap devices for the purpose of advertising. Their “Billions Dollar Baby”. Cortana powered by Bing is integrated into 10, although it doesn’t need to be accepted upon 10 install. Most will accept it, therefore ad revenue for MS. Well aware that, along with ads in apps, this is controversial, but if we want free apps and OS then we must accept all the pieces of the pie, otherwise we need to look elsewhere. I think the “one year free” trial period is a “wait to see how it goes for revenue” period. If MS generates enough revenue from 10 overall, then I think we can expect to see the OS continually offered for free. “Free” as in Android, OSX, and Linux free, BTW.

    Just to let you know, Kari > I’m navigating the Start menu configured full screen much better now.
    Very good Hippsie!!! But one question remains: Don't the people so discouraging when MS doing this while they've paid Windows 10 Pro at $199.99? Refund?
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