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  1.    14 Oct 2015 #171
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    I'm running tests now with 10565 installs, various scenarios. Next I will try the same with official RTM build 10240 and an old (7 or 8.1) retail key. I can answer you within an hour
    Thank you Kari! But I hope I'll be still awake!
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  2.    14 Oct 2015 #172
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    This is pure speculation, only my personal subjective opinion, only based on facts as we know them at the moment: It looks that MS has deliberately chosen a lenient activation policy, at least for this first year they promised free upgrades to all those running a qualifying OS.

    The fact that it now seems to be possible to activate Windows 10 on a clean install, new hardware using a Windows 7 or 8.1 product key does not change the policy MS has chosen in any other way than removing one unnecessary step. For MS it is totally irrelevant how the qualifying OS and its key is used, either first installing the qualifying old OS and activating it with its key, then upgrading it to an activated Windows 10, or letting the consumer do it easier without needing to install the old OS first but instead, use the old key directly on a clean install. The end result is the same, an activated Windows 10.

    In that sense, MS is here basically making a big favor for us users, letting us to save time in case we have a qualifying product key, a clean install without the time needed to first install the old OS and then upgrade it.

    Another question is then that it also looks that especially the retail keys, both Windows 7 and 8.1 can seemingly be reused. This is the part I do not understand; it looks at the moment that I could install Windows 10 on several virgin computers (= new hardware, never had any qualifying OS) using one and same 7 or 8.1 key. Buy one key, install on 10 computers. That is in my opinion wrong and not as MS had intended. We'll see if this remains as it is now or if it will change.

    Kari
    I don't think Microsoft is that stupid, you might be able to activate one or two, but I'm sure the servers would see the same key pop up eventually and deactivate the surplus ones.
    If you had one computer and it broke down and you built another that would be a different story as long a the other one became deactivated.
    Again, this is just my opinion and I could be wrong.
    And I'm not sure if it will work with 10240.
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  3.    14 Oct 2015 #173
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyusa View Post
    I wonder why MS would give up their profit! If this is true, buy 7 pro out there through distribution is about half or 3/4 price than a 10 pro!
    Well they sold Windows 8 Pro keys for $40, I know, I bought 5.
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  4.    14 Oct 2015 #174
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    A Finnish expat in Germany
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    Windows 10 Pro

    OK, this is how and what I tested now:

    1. Clean install Windows 10 Pro Build 10565 on a machine which had never before had any version of Windows. When setup asked for a product key, I gave a never before used Windows 8.1 Pro retail product key. Key was accepted and activation successful.
    2. As I had no more "virgin" hardware, I created a new Hyper-V virtual machine, clean installed Windows 10 Pro Build 10565, entered the same Windows 8.1 Pro retail product key as above in #1. Key was again accepted and activation successful.
    3. One more new vm, clean installed Windows 10 Pro Build 10565, entered a Windows 8.1 Pro retail product key which has been used multiple times, last time on this very PC I am using at the moment for a clean install which was then immediately upgraded to Windows 10 Pro. This key was now accepted on the new vm for a clean install of Windows 10 Pro and activation was successful.
    4. Third new vm, this time clean installing Windows 10 Pro RTM Build 10240, trying to use any Windows 7 or 8.1 retail keys I have, used or unused, the key was not accepted and Windows could not be activated.

    Conclusion, only based on this very simple set of test installs:
    • Build 10565 can be activated with a valid Windows 8.1 (and most probably 7 & 8) product key, also when clean installing on a new machine.
    • The RTM build, and most probably all builds prior to build 10565 need to be activated with a valid Windows 10 key, product keys from qualifying old operating systems will not work.


    Kari
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  5.    14 Oct 2015 #175
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    Exactly as I suspected, it was clear to me but this has confirmed it. It will probably be implemented at next full build.
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  6.    14 Oct 2015 #176
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 17017

    Very good report Kari! Now made me really wonder what MS is trying to do or test?
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  7.    14 Oct 2015 #177
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    Geeks please remember, this was just one set of test installs by a single user during past few hours and should not be taken as conclusive facts.

    Anyway, that's how it worked for me. Absolutely none whatsoever issues to perform a clean install of build 10565 on virgin hardware using a retail product key from a qualifying older Windows, be the key used or new.
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  8.    14 Oct 2015 #178
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 17017

    Mike, if MS really decide to do this, I'll go and search low price retail 7, 8,8.1 pro keys! Retail 10 pro key are way too expensive now!
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  9.    14 Oct 2015 #179
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    Win10 Pro Build 17017

    aye, remember - these are all insider builds..
    the RTM will be a slightly different beast..
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  10.    14 Oct 2015 #180
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    Windows 10 build 10122

    10565 is working very nicely for me so far. Much better than that 10547 chaos build that kept dieing all the time! Loving 10565 so far...
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