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  1.    18 Oct 2015 #81
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    bobjoe is maybe a bit extreme thinking MS could successfully freeze out third party programs. But they may force such programs to be channeled through MS Store in Win10 in the future. That would be one way to monetise windows. I don't really care if I buy my Photoshop from Adobe or via MS so long as MS don't try to rip me off.
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  2.    18 Oct 2015 #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobjoe View Post
    Look, I'm glad you're supportive of Microsoft's little "SkyNet" idea. If you think it will work, go ahead.



    Micro$oft's ultimate goal is to remove the ability to install desktop programs and lock the OS to the "Windows Store", like Windows RT, iOS, and Android. Microsoft no longer cares about selling operating systems like they used to (why do you think Windows 10 is a free upgrade???). They're now going into the 1st party software businesses. Notice how Office 2013/2016 are subscription-only?
    (Yes I know you can buy it one time but it's a rip off, don't get me started). Have you noticed how the whole goal of Windows 8 and Windows 10 was to increase Windows Phone's marketshare? Again, we know Microsoft doesn't care about Windows anymore. In Windows 8 (and even more so in Windows 10), Microsoft is heavily pushing their "metro apps" idea to get users to buy a Windows Phone instead of an iOS/Android device, but also to incentivise developers to make "apps" for that particular OS . That's where Microsoft sees their future. Mobile OSes. Remember, Windows 10 is the last version of Windows.

    I don't know where you're getting your information but I have a copy of Office 2013 and I don't need a subscription to use it.. really. And where do you get the idea that MS want's to lock out "all" desktop programs?? You mean tools to code Python and other languages would be included?? Third party office suites??

    Care to elaborate??

    Jeff
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  3.    18 Oct 2015 #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianwall View Post
    bobjoe is maybe a bit extreme thinking MS could successfully freeze out third party programs. But they may force such programs to be channeled through MS Store in Win10 in the future. That would be one way to monetise windows. I don't really care if I buy my Photoshop from Adobe or via MS so long as MS don't try to rip me off.
    They can't do that. There are many open source tools that are free and MS can't add them to the store, the creator has to.
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  4.    18 Oct 2015 #84
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    Desktop programs aren't going anywhere. Industry will not stand for it. Period. Microsoft makes way to much money from corporate customers to lock them out of installing their own software. You can't just think consumers and phone, there is way more to Microsoft than that. Sales of Windows and office to consumers just sweetens the pot. The real money for them is in corporate licenses etc.
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  5.    18 Oct 2015 #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by f14tomcat View Post
    They may chop up the Control Panel... but it's all still there.....
    Yes it is. Anyone can use what they choose. Haven't read anywhere written in stone that MS will totally drop the CP. Pure speculation, although it seems to point that way as with a lot of features.
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  6.    18 Oct 2015 #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Desktop programs aren't going anywhere. Industry will not stand for it. Period. Microsoft makes way to much money from corporate customers to lock them out of installing their software. You can't just think consumers and phone, there is way more to Microsoft than that. Sales of Windows and office to consumers just sweetens the pot. The real money for them in corporate licenses etc.
    Can't agree more!!
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  7.    18 Oct 2015 #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Pressing the key on the keyboard and right clicking it on the screen are two different menus. I was actually responding to the post before yours, I just type too slow. The right click gets you the same power menu HippsieGypsie posted.
    Yes, and I should have added that for mouse and touch users. Thanks for that.
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  8.    18 Oct 2015 #88
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    Maybe I'm missing something, but I'd be completely lost as how to how to set up some things without the ease of use with the 'old familiar' Control Panel.

    I completely agree that there should only be the one interface, so let's ditch the 'Settings' in preference to the Control Panel.

    IMHO, the only reason that uS has gone the Setting route is to make it look like Apple's OS.
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  9.    18 Oct 2015 #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by WightWalker View Post
    Maybe I'm missing something, but I'd be completely lost as how to how to set up some things without the ease of use with the 'old familiar' Control Panel.

    I completely agree that there should only be the one interface, so let's ditch the 'Settings' in preference to the Control Panel.

    IMHO, the only reason that uS has gone the Setting route is to make it look like Apple's OS.
    Your likely not alone in wanting to keep/go back to Control Panel. Not going to happen now though. I can't see them making an about face on that now and trying code the Modern UI settings into control panel. Even when moved, quit a few options will still take you to where they do in control panel now. It will be a learning curve for a bit but you'll get used to it and start to remember where stuff is.
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  10.    18 Oct 2015 #90
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    I don't know where you're getting your information but I have a copy of Office 2013 and I don't need a subscription to use it.. really. And where do you get the idea that MS want's to lock out "all" desktop programs?? You mean tools to code Python and other languages would be included?? Third party office suites??

    Care to elaborate??

    Jeff
    Like I said... I know Office 2013/2016 is sold as a one time purchase, but it's absolutely a rip off. $149 for ONE license??? Micro$oft is crazy. Office 2007/2010 gave you THREE licenses per $149 purchase. Microsoft really wants people to move to their "subscription service".

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Hi There. Yes it will and let's not forget the Power Users Context Menu > WinKey/X. A great feature introduced in 8 that I'm glad they kept in 10.

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    I'm sorry but that enlarged, black context menu in the new Windows 10 build looks absolutely disgusting. Why does Microsoft have to change things for the sake of changing? Leave the damn context menus alone, MS!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by brianwall View Post
    bobjoe is maybe a bit extreme thinking MS could successfully freeze out third party programs. But they may force such programs to be channeled through MS Store in Win10 in the future. That would be one way to monetise windows. I don't really care if I buy my Photoshop from Adobe or via MS so long as MS don't try to rip me off.
    This is the problem... Many people are OKAY with this.
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