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  1.    29 Sep 2015 #41
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    I don't think there's anything in these articles that is going to reassure anyone who had initial concerns about privacy and information collecting. It's basically a PR statement with no new information. No, we aren't going to sell your information... Yes, Cortana does collect your personal information because it has to... etc, etc... nothing new.
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  2.    29 Sep 2015 #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by halasz View Post
    Actually they quite clearly claim the ARE using it for advertising.

    Look at Windows:

    Attachment 40151

    Or Skype:

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    If I have to have an advert I'd rather have an ad for something possibly interesting to me (a new SSD perhaps or a book I might like) than something not interesting to me at all (a deal on cheap diapers or cruises for the over 90's).

    There is nothing sneaky or hidden here - it is obvious and you can choose. You either accept it or not.

    If you really don't like it then you can always use something else (although it might have to be a notepad or a typewriter).
    Hmmm yes I saw that of course, what exactly does 'reset your ID' mean, does it mean a new ID? does it mean your ID is not passed on? Why do you have to turn on off, instead of on? I think this is perhaps part of Microsoft's problem, i.e. they simply do not explain very well.

    No need to use a typewriter or a notepad, you can use a modern up to date operating system like Linux to do sensitive and important things, and use windows10 for what it has become.. an entertainment system with built in payware, solitaire for example and who's to say what will come next? office perhaps downloaded in the background and installed 'for your convenience', and use your computer and bandwidth as a server for strangers. (something they already think it's fine to do by default)

    My prediction is it will become more and more invasive as time goes by, which of course is fine for a games system but not for a serious O.S. I suspect also people will become desensitised to invasive apps and software, and will actually expect shiny new things to be auto downloaded and installed for the fan base to coo at.

    As a few have said, I think a lot have already made their mind up, lets see where it goes and how it all works out, but for now I'm assuming nothing is private on Windows10.

    zoo
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  3.    29 Sep 2015 #43

    Quote Originally Posted by zooburner View Post
    Hmmm yes I saw that of course, what exactly does 'reset your ID' mean, does it mean a new ID? does it mean your ID is not passed on? Why do you have to turn on off, instead of on? I think this is perhaps part of Microsoft's problem, i.e. they simply do not explain very well.

    No need to use a typewriter or a notepad, you can use a modern up to date operating system like Linux to do sensitive and important things, and use windows10 for what it has become.. an entertainment system with built in payware, solitaire for example and who's to say what will come next? office perhaps downloaded in the background and installed 'for your convenience', and use your computer and bandwidth as a server for strangers. (something they already think it's fine to do by default)

    My prediction is it will become more and more invasive as time goes by, which of course is fine for a games system but not for a serious O.S. I suspect also people will become desensitised to invasive apps and software, and will actually expect shiny new things to be auto downloaded and installed for the fan base to coo at.

    As a few have said, I think a lot have already made their mind up, lets see where it goes and how it all works out, but for now I'm assuming nothing is private on Windows10.

    zoo

    Excellent post and i believe the same to be the case. Look at "facebook" , people actually seem to not mind what personal info they keep hounding you for , i found it outrageous , my parents don't even know what they kept inquiring about lol.

    Within a two week trial period i had all these "so called friends" wanting to be friends , who are these people lol , some looked to be real nut jobs , most members had thousands of these "so called friends" , definitely not for me .

    And another thing , i don't like to be followed , people want to follow you , what for ? I guess Win 10 isn't as bad as i thought .
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  4.    30 Sep 2015 #44
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    . . .for the last time; if this bothers you so much then it is time to disconnect from the internet, throw out your cell phones, dispose of your tablets, tear up your credit/bank cards, and head for the backwoods, and hope no one ever fines or even sees you. . ..
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  5.    30 Sep 2015 #45
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    fredc, for the Facebook part, use the setting to NOT get E-Mail notifications then if prompted save the change and log out. I logged on once to see some pictures my son posted and didn't log out for about a month and got lots of 'friends' requests so I did that and no problem.
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  6.    30 Sep 2015 #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    . . .for the last time; if this bothers you so much then it is time to disconnect from the internet, throw out your cell phones, dispose of your tablets, tear up your credit/bank cards, and head for the backwoods, and hope no one ever fines or even sees you. . ..
    Oh come now that's a bit of an over reaction, I for one have decided that Windows is no longer an O.S. to be trusted, so I'm using what I at least consider a more secure option in Linux simple.

    I will continue to use Windows10 happily for none confidential and privacy sensitive tasks such as Games and Entertainment, this is clearly where Microsoft seems to want to take windows anyway. If you wish to continue to use Windows and you are confident in that that's fine , no skin off my nose or anyone else's.

    zoo
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  7.    30 Sep 2015 #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    . . .for the last time; if this bothers you so much then it is time to disconnect from the internet, throw out your cell phones, dispose of your tablets, tear up your credit/bank cards, and head for the backwoods, and hope no one ever fines or even sees you. . ..
    WRONG!
    It's a scary thought where society and the human race might be if throughout history everyone had the same attitude towards controversial issues. If anything is thought to be wrong it is a responsibility to speak up.
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  8.    30 Sep 2015 #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator2013 View Post
    WRONG!
    It's a scary thought where society and the human race might be if throughout history everyone had the same attitude towards controversial issues. If anything is thought to be wrong it is a responsibility to speak up.
    Nothing wrong with this, but what is "NORMAL REACTION" should be looks like? Speaking up? What about those that decide to keep quiet?
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  9.    30 Sep 2015 #49
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 17017

    There are limits of our modern life of our privacy by nature, even you purposely block all communications and giving up all the benefits of what are the values to you. The world knows when and where that North Korea lunched a missile and where it goes!
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  10.    30 Sep 2015 #50
    Join Date : Jul 2015
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    Perhaps MS is really our friend and seeks only to make our lives better. I think the issue, from a broader perspective, is that so many institutions feel they have a right to collect and store data about us. All manner of data and institutions - pharmacies, doctors, government entities, business entities - the list is extensive. The fear or my fear at least, is that this data is being analyzed across these institutions and very detailed patterns regarding what you do, who you communicate with, what you buy, and where you browse is being accumulated. In this era of big data and predictive systems it is easy to envision an environment where you are continuously and subtly manipulated and monitored. The point is, collecting and collating this information creates the opportunity for others to take advantage of known human frailties such as confirmation bias or anchoring (there are a lot of biases we have as human beings that we simply can't see - blind spots). We can't trust our institutions to tell the truth or to act in a beneficial manner. We have decades of history that shows quite the opposite - from Gary Powers, to Cuba, to priests, to red lining housing areas by banks. You can't drop out or go off the grid. Not only is it impractical the mere fact that you disappear is enough to trigger alarms and make you stand out. This is the unease, I think, that many people have regarding the collection of information by anybody and everybody. Institutions, like people, only act in their own self-interest - not your self-interest. We are hard-wired to protect ourselves from what we perceive are potential threats. Hence the paranoia.
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