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  1.    13 Oct 2014 #31

    I can be a pretty heavy VM user, but I don't see the value in 16GB of RAM in the Surface Pro myself. They could do it, no big technical reason why not. I have 16GB of RAM in my work laptop, and also upgraded the 256GB SSD to a 500GB SSD because I was tired of always running out of space. I guess it's because I don't really see the Surface as a replacement for a proper laptop.
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       14 Oct 2014 #32

    It's not complicated; it's actually very simple.

    When the manufactures think their is a market large enough to put 16 gig or more of ram in a (what ever) they will do it.
    The market place in the most part dictates what a manufacture is going to produce in volume. This method of doing business is not new; it's been around for thousands of years.
    A thousand years ago if someone wanted a special sword their was no problem. Just leave a lot of money and don't bother the sword maker. He will call when the sword is done.
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  3.    14 Oct 2014 #33

    pparks1 said: View Post
    I can be a pretty heavy VM user, but I don't see the value in 16GB of RAM in the Surface Pro myself. They could do it, no big technical reason why not. I have 16GB of RAM in my work laptop, and also upgraded the 256GB SSD to a 500GB SSD because I was tired of always running out of space. I guess it's because I don't really see the Surface as a replacement for a proper laptop.
    Why? It's just as powerful as a "proper laptop". Yes, it's screen is small, but you plug it into an external display and use an external keyboard and it's as powerful as (more so for the high end) any desktop. Then, you unplug it and take it on the train with you and continue working, take it home and work while watching TV on the couch, take it to your desk and plug it into your keyboard and monitor...

    How is it not a laptop replacement?
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       14 Oct 2014 #34

    Every laptop I have ever seen comes with a keyboard and a screen and a little built in mouse you poke with your finger.

    From post #33 by Mystere.

    How is it not a laptop replacement?
    No it doesn't replace a laptop.
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  5.    14 Oct 2014 #35

    Layback Bear said: View Post
    Every laptop I have ever seen comes with a keyboard and a screen and a little built in mouse you poke with your finger.

    From post #33 by Mystere.



    No it doesn't replace a laptop.
    I must be imagining things like this then, which I've been doing with laptops for more than a decade...

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  6.    14 Oct 2014 #36

    Hi there

    I think the REAL issue with the 16GB RAM is actually an ENGINEERING problem. The RAM in the Surface Pro is similar (although faster) to the sort of RAM used in Laptops (smaller than the long sticks used in desktops). 8GB Modules don't exist yet in that physical form factor or are hideously expensive so you'd need 4 SLOTS (4 x 4GB). Space is at a 100% premium in these devices so without a total radical re-design of the case to accommodate space for 4 memory modules they left it as it is -- I don't hear many complainers from Laptop users that they don't have enough RAM in their machines when it's 8GB.

    Cheers

    jimbo
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  7.    14 Oct 2014 #37

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    I think the REAL issue with the 16GB RAM is actually an ENGINEERING problem. The RAM in the Surface Pro is similar (although faster) to the sort of RAM used in Laptops (smaller than the long sticks used in desktops). 8GB Modules don't exist yet in that physical form factor or are hideously expensive so you'd need 4 SLOTS (4 x 4GB).
    Jimbo, I don't know where you think you got your information, but this is so far from accurate as to be laughable.

    The SP3 does not use "sticks" of memory of any kind. It uses 4 LPDDR3 chips (called packages, 2 on the front, 2 on the back) soldered to the motherboard. In the 4GB SP3, these are 8Gb (Gigabit) packages (ie 1 Gigabyte). In the 8GB SP3, these are 16Gb packages (or 2GB).

    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Micr...Teardown/26595 (see step 16)

    There are at least 2 companies producing 32Gb (4GB) packages for at least the last 18 months.

    BTW, in case you didn't notice, there's actually enough room on the PCB to put 4 packages on each side if they wanted to. This is not some major engineering feat.

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Space is at a 100% premium in these devices so without a total radical re-design of the case to accommodate space for 4 memory modules they left it as it is -- I don't hear many complainers from Laptop users that they don't have enough RAM in their machines when it's 8GB.
    How many of those are software developers? 8GB is barely enough these days to do any real development work, you quickly start swapping.
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       14 Oct 2014 #39

    Mystere said: View Post
    I must be imagining things like this then, which I've been doing with laptops for more than a decade...

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    As long as you have the needed hardware at each location you go to you will be in good shape.
    Personally if I owned a business with a server and work stations I wouldn't allow anybody hook anything to my server network/domain or Cloud. In my opinion it's nothing but one big security risk.
    Back to needing 16gb of ram. Just going by memory I do believe that some company already make laptops with 16 gigs of ram. Would something like that be suitable to your needs?
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  10.    15 Oct 2014 #40

    Mystere said: View Post
    Jimbo, I don't know where you think you got your information, but this is so far from accurate as to be laughable.

    The SP3 does not use "sticks" of memory of any kind. It uses 4 LPDDR3 chips (called packages, 2 on the front, 2 on the back) soldered to the motherboard. In the 4GB SP3, these are 8Gb (Gigabit) packages (ie 1 Gigabyte). In the 8GB SP3, these are 16Gb packages (or 2GB).

    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Micr...Teardown/26595 (see step 16)

    There are at least 2 companies producing 32Gb (4GB) packages for at least the last 18 months.

    BTW, in case you didn't notice, there's actually enough room on the PCB to put 4 packages on each side if they wanted to. This is not some major engineering feat.



    How many of those are software developers? 8GB is barely enough these days to do any real development work, you quickly start swapping.
    Hi there.

    OK I'll defer to the newer memory sticks.

    However the SP3 isn't really intended for serious development users or anybody who has the same set up as you have there.

    It's a very convenient portable machine that can carry a powerful punch and it's more than adequate for the primary market it's intended for.

    I'm sure any sort of serious development or reams of Video editing / creation / game development etc requires a wholly different set up.


    However for what I use it for it more than fits the bill.

    If I could get 16GB in it and a 1TB SSD then of course I'd love that. Battery life I don't find a problem when using in "Tablet mode". In "Desktop mode" I'm using it invariably powered to the mains so I don't really care.

    Better technology whether in electric cars or smart phones definitely DOES need improvement - this seems to be an area that's stalled recently.

    Cheers

    Jimbo
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