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  1.    11 Oct 2014 #11

    Given what you describe I doubt there will be any machines in the SP realm that will fit the bill. Wrong product for the tasks imo.
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  2.    11 Oct 2014 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    What does an SSD have to do with anything?

    I need to run multiple virtual machines, that takes real physical memory.. not virtual memory. I also do development and tend to have 4-6 copies of Visual Studio open at any given time (each copy takes almost 1-1.5GB of memory on average, depending on project size).

    I don't think you can suggest what is "plenty" for anyone. My desktop has 32GB (with SSD's) and it's not enough.
    It's not the right machine for your purpose. It's not what surface was made for. You need a tank.
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  3.    11 Oct 2014 #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by badrobot View Post
    It's not the right machine for your purpose. It's not what surface was made for. You need a tank.
    Not at all. I have a Gigabyte Brix that is far smaller than a surface that gives me 16GB of memory, both a 256GB SSD and 1TB hard disk, both Mini-displayport and HDMI outputs, 4 USB3 ports and an i7 4770. And it cost less than $1000 in total. If it had a built-in display, and a battery it would be perfect.. but it doesn't so it's not portable.

    Regardless, I don't need all that in a portable device. I just need something that can be a tablet/laptop that allows me to do my work portably. I don't need an i7, and i3 would be fine... I just need everything the surface has, with double the memory. That's not a lot to ask for.
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  4.    12 Oct 2014 #14

    Hi there

    Any piece of Hardware *Might* have a flaw in it -- that's more likely due to the Logistics company shipping it rather than any defect in the manufacturing -- I mean even at airports you see "Hun=mans" luggage thrown about roughly and stored goodness knows where. With poorly paid truck drivers etc I doubt whether the transportation of the SP3 from Factory to end consumer isn't always done in the most ideal of conditions.

    I'm totally AMAZED with my SP3 -- Would I buy another one -- absolutely (although it's not cheap) - Ms have this one 100% right apart from the price of course.

    Anybody I've shown mine to would beg borrow or steal to get one.

    Now the RT devices - well that's probably a dead end.
    @Mystere -- your provisos make the SP3 what it is -- PORTABLE. That's what COSTS the money -- I can build a mega powerful MONSTER PC that you'd need a forklift truck to move and probably would withstand the blast of a small nuclear device for not too much money.

    I think you should perhaps look at the physics and engineering required to get a full i7 processor, a fully 4K capable graphics processor (easily better than the current full 1920 X 1080 full HD) and an SSD into a smallish box no fatter than a typical mobile phone. By no means easy.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5.    12 Oct 2014 #15

    I almost bought a Surface, agonized weeks over it and then decided against it. IMO they are to clunky as a tablet, I will go the iPad route, or maybe even the new larger iPhone 6, that really suits me better over all.

    Again, the Surface as a tablet just doesn't have the apps quality of an Apple or Android, so it is left to compete in the laptop arena, that is why sales are not strong for it. I absolutely, or my friends know, zero people who own a Surface.
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  6.    12 Oct 2014 #16

    If you only look at the Surface Pro line as a tablet then you missed the point altogether.

    The idea is to have a full fledged computer that can also be a laptop. In that, the Surface Pros are superb.

    And yes, the 'modern apps' have some holes in their coverage, but then those holes can be filled with desktop apps that are at worst, as good as anything on the iPad or Android tablets, but most often are much better.

    I have a first generation Surface Pro. I was going to get a new iPad, but for less money as a new iPad similarly configured, I got a full computer that just happens to function as a tablet quite well too.
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  7.    12 Oct 2014 #17

    Quote Originally Posted by lparsons21 View Post
    If you only look at the Surface Pro line as a tablet then you missed the point altogether.

    The idea is to have a full fledged computer that can also be a laptop. In that, the Surface Pros are superb.

    And yes, the 'modern apps' have some holes in their coverage, but then those holes can be filled with desktop apps that are at worst, as good as anything on the iPad or Android tablets, but most often are much better.

    I have a first generation Surface Pro. I was going to get a new iPad, but for less money as a new iPad similarly configured, I got a full computer that just happens to function as a tablet quite well too.
    Hi there.

    At work with TWO nice large monitors and a docking station the SP3 EASILY beats any corporate laptop OR desktop which are always several years old.

    People just looking at these as Ipad competitors or large iphones or expensive tablets have missed the WHOLE point of this device -- in fact you could probably THROW AWAY your ipad -the SP3 covers both PC and Tablet stuff - and the fact that people are even mentioning "apps from the store " means they haven't understood what this device is FOR.

    Although of course it can run apps and in any case you can load a VM up on it so you could even run an ANDROID VM on your Windows device too - and get anything you like from the google play store.

    http://mashable.com/2013/02/12/bluestacks-windows-8/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lCpNZwASxY

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8.    12 Oct 2014 #18

    I agree and that's even true for the 1st generation SP.

    I have a power cover that I added, got on Ebay for under $100. That takes care of the battery time issue for the 1st gen quite nicely at the expense of a little weight.

    And I have the Docking station that I got for $99 on a one-day sale at Best Buy. When I'm on the docking station I have it connected to my PS3 3D 24" display, a full sized USB keyboard and a Logitech T650 trackpad. Makes for an excellent desktop replacement.

    For some the Surface Pros seem a bit pricey, and compared to the low end laptops you see for less than $500 they are. But they are much more portable and the screen is so much better.

    I haven't yet sold my MacBook Pro w/Retina, but haven't actually used it for over a month so I guess I should.
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  9.    12 Oct 2014 #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    @Mystere -- your provisos make the SP3 what it is -- PORTABLE. That's what COSTS the money -- I can build a mega powerful MONSTER PC that you'd need a forklift truck to move and probably would withstand the blast of a small nuclear device for not too much money.

    I think you should perhaps look at the physics and engineering required to get a full i7 processor, a fully 4K capable graphics processor (easily better than the current full 1920 X 1080 full HD) and an SSD into a smallish box no fatter than a typical mobile phone. By no means easy.
    You are absolutely incorrect. I own such a device. It fits in the palm of your hand, it can have 16GB, a big SSD *AND* a regular laptop hard drive. It can do everything I need, but it doesn't have a battery and display attached. This device is smaller the surface in total area.

    As I said, all I need is everything the surface has but 16GB of memory. So please stop telling me that's impossible, since I already have it all in a non-portable device of a smaller size.

    http://www.gigabyte.us/products/list.aspx?s=47&ck=104
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  10.    12 Oct 2014 #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    You are absolutely incorrect. I own such a device. It fits in the palm of your hand, it can have 16GB, a big SSD *AND* a regular laptop hard drive. It can do everything I need, but it doesn't have a battery and display attached. This device is smaller the surface in total area.

    As I said, all I need is everything the surface has but 16GB of memory. So please stop telling me that's impossible, since I already have it all in a non-portable device of a smaller size.

    GIGABYTE - Desktop PC - Mini-PC Barebone
    So you're okay with a 2" thick tablet, wouldn't that be a bit cumbersome.
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