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  1.    11 Oct 2014 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessejamestw23 View Post
    No, I am not referring to iOS. I have an iPhone. I've been told that people get software upgrades on Apple computers for free. Now, they need to provide 10 as a free update, for users who are not computer smart and who want their start menus back. I think they should leave the metro start screen as is, but also include the regular Windows start menu on the desktop.
    As a Mac user (main OS) I am here to tell you that in all reality it is not free. Look at the price we Mac user pay for our system. My iMac 27" with an Intel i7 4770 CPU and a 480 gig SSD cost me in the neighborhood of $3800.00. Now Microsoft is not in the hardware business, hence they need to charge for their OS because otherwise there coders would head for other companies.
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  2.    11 Oct 2014 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    As a Mac user (main OS) I am here to tell you that in all reality it is not free. Look at the price we Mac user pay for our system. My iMac 27" with an Intel i7 4770 CPU and a 480 gig SSD cost me in the neighborhood of $3800.00. Now Microsoft is not in the hardware business, hence they need to charge for their OS because otherwise there coders would head for other companies.
    I know how high Apple computers are. But, they offer free OS updates. Windows doesn't and never has and they need to, they did with Windows 8.1 for Windows 8 users. So, they should do the same with 10 for 8.1 users.
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  3.    11 Oct 2014 #13
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    MacOS has not traditionally been free, although the latest version is. Not sure if the next version will be.

    Regardless, MacOS is subsidized by the expensive Mac hardware. Microsoft makes no money from hardware sales other than Surface.
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  4.    11 Oct 2014 #14
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    Well, they at least need to offer 10 as a free upgrade to 8.1 users. It seems as if they are with the Insider Program and the Technical Preview. But, I could be wrong. You never know! It would be silly to let users try out the TP, and then charge them for the upgrade.
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  5.    12 Oct 2014 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessejamestw23 View Post
    Well, they at least need to offer 10 as a free upgrade to 8.1 users. It seems as if they are with the Insider Program and the Technical Preview. But, I could be wrong. You never know! It would be silly to let users try out the TP, and then charge them for the upgrade.
    if you want the free OSX updates all you have to do is buy a computer for a couple of thousand or more, or you can buy a much cheaper Windows machine and maybe pay for some upgrades now and then.
    I suppose Microsoft could give away everything they do but then they'd go broke and you'd end up with Apple. I don't know what they're going to do with 10, but if I have to pay, I'll pay like I've always done.
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  6.    12 Oct 2014 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessejamestw23 View Post
    It would be silly to let users try out the TP, and then charge them for the upgrade.
    People with Windows 7 (or Vista or XP) could try the previews of Windows 8 for free, but had to pay to get the released version, so it could be the same again with Windows 10.
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  7.    12 Oct 2014 #17

    At the moment MS must spend a lot of money patching, fixing backwards compatibilty issues, issuing specialised security fixes, etc, for older versions of Windows.
    The guy from Gartner must be looking at that, and I imagine it's an enormous expense, off their bottom line.
    If they upgraded everyone to W10, they would have a level playing field, lose the nightmare of complaining XP users, and so on.
    They could then remove a lot of the functionality, and put it into the app store. You would then pay for apps.
    This would provide a revenue stream, just like MS Office does. Enterprise apps could be made more costly, or on subscription.
    This seems workable to me, and it would please both users, and the Monopolies Commission etc.
    Users would be happy, as they would not have to clutter up their systems with functionality they never use.
    Apple make their own hardware, as has been said. They must save money by not having to worry about hardware compatibility issues.
    Microsoft cannot do this, but they could avoid having to do it for several, different, OS versions.
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  8.    12 Oct 2014 #18

    Quote Originally Posted by johnwillyums View Post
    At the moment MS must spend a lot of money patching, fixing backwards compatibilty issues, issuing specialised security fixes, etc, for older versions of Windows.
    The guy from Gartner must be looking at that, and I imagine it's an enormous expense, off their bottom line.
    If they upgraded everyone to W10, they would have a level playing field, lose the nightmare of complaining XP users, and so on.
    They could then remove a lot of the functionality, and put it into the app store. You would then pay for apps.
    This would provide a revenue stream, just like MS Office does. Enterprise apps could be made more costly, or on subscription.
    This seems workable to me, and it would please both users, and the Monopolies Commission etc.
    Users would be happy, as they would not have to clutter up their systems with functionality they never use.
    Apple make their own hardware, as has been said. They must save money by not having to worry about hardware compatibility issues.
    Microsoft cannot do this, but they could avoid having to do it for several, different, OS versions.

    Hi there

    GARTNER is absolute rubbish - anything they say could be predicted with the same accuracy by pure GUESSWORK -- I'm still surprised anybody is still listening to them.

    Actually the FREE updates don't necessarily mean a loss of revenue for Ms --It has HUGE corporate continuing licenses and probably by offering an update FREE for consumers would wash away the ugly test (whether wrongly or rightly) that Windows 8 left in the mouths of many people.

    Ms is going towards the idea of paid apps from the store, the cloud and above all subscription based software.

    It's not a direction I personally like but others seem to be OK with it - and the Markets seem to agree with it. In spite of last week's carnage on Wall St the Ms stock is holding up reasonably well so they must be doing something right.

    The Surface Pro 3 is doing quite well too -- It's almost impossible to find these at the moment in spite of their seemingly high price - but as an Apple user posted for similar grade equipment people can pay nearly 4,000 USD and there's still a market for THAT gear.

    I don't think people should write off Ms just yet. There's plenty of life in it still. Also all those XP and W7 users need to be encouraged to move off those OS'es too.

    Incidentally I notice Ms is actually offering the VHD's of W10 - so people can get an already pre configured VM to try without having to do the install. Ms is making it really easy now for people to try this.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9.    12 Oct 2014 #19
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    MS is probably last large company in the world I would fear for it's continuing existence.
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  10.    12 Oct 2014 #20
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    Windows 10 Home 64-bit

    We buy Microsoft, because Apple is too expensive and I would say stingy with their computers. Also, a lot of people don't want to purchase a software upgrade to buy. Like smartphones, every computer should offer free software upgrades as well. All people want now a days is money.
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