Windows 10: After Windows10, consumers won't pay for updates or upgra

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  1.    19 Oct 2014 #111

    Jody Thornton said: View Post
    Not to be a stickler on it, but you never did own your copy of the OS. You purchased a license to use Windows 7 to Microsoft's terms of agreement, and the CD-ROM/DVD-ROM was granted to you to facilitate installation. That's it.

    People seem to get the idea that since they bought the installation disks, that they somehow "own" their copy of the OS. You don't - ever. All you own is the physical plastic that makes up the disc. The intangible data is Microsoft's and is granted for your use for the time Microsoft allows it. So the Unix distribution that Digital Equipment had you license every year was really the same as Windows 7.
    Just as much as a song or a movie but them you can sell and watch or listen on many things, Windos only on one (if OEM that is).
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  2.    19 Oct 2014 #112

    Jody Thornton said: View Post
    Not to be a stickler on it, but you never did own your copy of the OS. You purchased a license to use Windows 7 to Microsoft's terms of agreement, and the CD-ROM/DVD-ROM was granted to you to facilitate installation. That's it.

    People seem to get the idea that since they bought the installation disks, that they somehow "own" their copy of the OS. You don't - ever. All you own is the physical plastic that makes up the disc. The intangible data is Microsoft's and is granted for your use for the time Microsoft allows it. So the Unix distribution that Digital Equipment had you license every year was really the same as Windows 7.
    You're arguing semantics. I don't know what's meant by "owning" the OS and I don't care. I paid once for my Windows 7, and it works just fine, even after all of my hardware has been changed. I never had to call MS even after I changed the motherboard. Perhaps the number of such changes is limited, perhaps not, I'll find out when and if a call to MS will be required. To me this represents a sharp contrast with the subscription system, when I have to keep paying to keep using the same software on the same machine. That I will not do, unless I'm really forced to.
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  3.    19 Oct 2014 #113

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    I'm not always sure why everybody seems to think that anybody over the age of about 23 is a technical idiot and hasn't a clue about or a use for computers and so should be restricted to a tablet or smart phone.

    I know several in their 70's who not only are a lot smarter than the youngsters who spend all day looking at mobile phone screens with earphones in their ears oblivious to anything actually happening in the physical world, who also have the TIME AND MONEY to use these machines as Computers. Some of them for instance have to understand complex mathematics and have to make instant decisions when they are on their computers trading Market Futures and stocks - and the wrong decision could cost them 1000's of dollars. They have to know how to set up and use both the hardware and software. Many other people in their 70 - 80's are still running businesses or doing all sorts of Free lance work using computers etc.

    Gone are the days where at about age 60 or so - depending on your profession and Country policies people just collected a State Pension and died after a couple of years doing gardening. For some people retirement is a whole other opportunity. I'm not too far off mine and am looking forward to it immensely -- and I'm sure I can handle computers a lot better than a lot of the so called Young Technical generation.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    My comments on people over age 50 keeping Windows is alive, was not in reference to their intellect. The over 50's group, grew up pretty much using Windows, it was the only GUI OS really available at the time. So, I think it is harder for them to switch to something else.

    However, the youth of today, are growing up with iPads, iPods, iPhone, Macs and Android, it is almost second nature for them to use an Apple OSX or Linux driven device. My nephews, nieces, friends all have some sort of device driven by something other than MS software. They are always trying to show me how to operate their devices or computers. But, I guess I am an old dog, and itis hard to learn new tricks.
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  4.    19 Oct 2014 #114

    unifex said: View Post
    You're arguing semantics. I don't know what's meant by "owning" the OS and I don't care. I paid once for my Windows 7, and it works just fine, even after all of my hardware has been changed.
    No it's not just semantics. You may not care, and you certainly don't have to care at all. But a software company needs to stay profitable. So if (due to adoption of mobile platforms) Microsoft need a new model to amass more revenue because one-time sales have declined, it needs to do what it needs to survive.

    In fact, had I been Microsoft, I would have created a subscription model of updates for XP (since so many wished they hadn't retired the OS). That would have made a nice new little profit centre for Redmond, WA.
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       19 Oct 2014 #115

    I thought I read that the original plan for XP was something like subscription, because it was going to be continuously upgraded, not replaced.
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  6.    19 Oct 2014 #116

    Trust_No1 said: View Post
    My comments on people over age 50 keeping Windows is alive, was not in reference to their intellect. The over 50's group, grew up pretty much using Windows, it was the only GUI OS really available at the time. So, I think it is harder for them to switch to something else.

    However, the youth of today, are growing up with iPads, iPods, iPhone, Macs and Android, it is almost second nature for them to use an Apple OSX or Linux driven device. My nephews, nieces, friends all have some sort of device driven by something other than MS software. They are always trying to show me how to operate their devices or computers. But, I guess I am an old dog, and itis hard to learn new tricks.
    Being over fifty (Seventy) I can't say it any better. . .
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  7.    20 Oct 2014 #117

    Jody Thornton said: View Post
    No it's not just semantics. You may not care, and you certainly don't have to care at all. But a software company needs to stay profitable. So if (due to adoption of mobile platforms) Microsoft need a new model to amass more revenue because one-time sales have declined, it needs to do what it needs to survive.

    In fact, had I been Microsoft, I would have created a subscription model of updates for XP (since so many wished they hadn't retired the OS). That would have made a nice new little profit centre for Redmond, WA.
    What does it really mean, one-time sales have declined? Surely you do not expect people to buy operating systems every year. PCs have a certain lifespan, sometimes it's recommended to replace/upgrade your machine every three years, let's say on average it's four. The majority of people simply buy a PC with Windows pre-installed. I'm sure that a lot of people are like me, I will use the same machine until it breaks down or until I will find some new thing that I want/need to do that cannot be done with (or is too slow on) the old machine.

    What that means, is that once everyone on the planet has a PC running Windows there is not much room for further growth, you can't sell more since everyone already has one or two. That's why now all these subscriptions appear - the company wants growth!

    But I, the consumer, don't care for that. I will not buy something just because the company wants to grow. I will buy something if I see some benefit to me. A subscription brings zero benefit to me, hence I will not buy it.
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  8.    20 Oct 2014 #118

    Hi there

    It's the SAME old mistake every business has made since the very first business started on this planet - how many thousand years ago -- "Short Term-ism". Businesses start off with incredible figures - and assume they can keep growing at 30 - 50% a year or even more -- nobody ever seems to plan for what happens when the market MATURES and you will be lucky to keep growing at 4%.

    There's a HUGE British Supermarket called TESCO - where everybody is dumping shares because their profits are DOWN on last year etc -- Honestly guys how much food can peopel EAT !!! - that particular organisation is still making MILLION if not BILLIONS of GBP in profit - so who cares if it's a bit less than last year.

    But I don't work on Wall St so perhaps those guys have different brains to the rest of us.

    Even subscription models will peak -- I think in the Mobile Phone or Cable TV industry it's called "Churn" people take out one subscription and then either don't renew it or find an alternative at the end of the period.

    A business can only grow if it has new and interesting products to sell (or it's like a supermarket where people HAVE to have food).

    I have to say though that subscriptions for a newspaper or a mobile phone are one thing - but I certainly wouldn't go for Software subscriptions of an OS or even of a product like Office.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9.    20 Oct 2014 #119

    Exactly,

    I could never understand the logic of cable companies that declare some particular price, then give you an "introductory" discount, and put you on an automatic renewal (for the "full" price). They also lock you in for a year (or two), so that you can't quit or change. Yet, if I cancel the service during the first year, they will come back with the same (or better) offer. Do they really expect me not to cancel the automatic renewal when I know that I can pay less only if I bother to cancel in time? Or does anyone believe that I have to pay more just because the company expects/wants me to?

    Same goes on all of those subscriptions. I always cancel. I never allow those subscriptions to renew automatically, because I know that I get a better deal without it. Moreover, this way I have a choice to either continue with the service or not (or choose another service). Even if I continue, I like to have that choice. In fact, recently as I was cancelling one such subscription I actually told that to the rep on the phone - that I'm cancelling all subscriptions as a rule because I hate automatic renewals. The guy was shocked - I guess nobody told him that before and he processed my request with any further questions.
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       20 Oct 2014 #120

    unifex said: View Post
    Even if I continue, I like to have that choice. In fact, recently as I was cancelling one such subscription I actually told that to the rep on the phone - that I'm cancelling all subscriptions as a rule because I hate automatic renewals. The guy was shocked - I guess nobody told him that before and he processed my request with any further questions.
    Modern businesses are based on the idea that most of their customers are drooling morons.

    His training wouldn't have prepared him to be able to deal someone who wasn't stupid.
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