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  1.    18 Sep 2015 #41

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Siegel View Post
    at this point i am not totally sure what to make of it. I for one would though; like to know whats contained in the updates etc. I too am also wondering whats so secretive about whats contained in the updates that they cant disclose it like they have done for previous operating systems. I mean it doesnt seem like good business sense to not disclose what is contained in the update(s) etc.

    It makes good business sense if you think that what your providing in the updates would be objectionable to the end user , you would think if it was good stuff they would want people to know about it.

    You know what they say , no news is good news lol.
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  2.    19 Sep 2015 #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo45
    I agree also that for Enterprises updating a few thousand Windows machines may well cause problems -- some old Legacy apps could well have difficulty being run on W10 - for example running some SAP software etc. Until these companies update their corporate software then I agree updating Windows is a problem - but here again maybe the solution is to convert to a Virtual Desktop Infrastructure (VDI) which while being an initial cost will render future upgrades really simple.
    It's like others saying "If you don't like W10, why don't you use W7???!!".
    I believe that at some point one have to update/upgrade to a more recent version because everything evoluates independantly, and one day an upgrade is necessary because things are not worling together anymore.
    For example, I was running my old PC very fine with W98SE on it up to last year. I was very happy with it but it became increasingly difficult to navigate the internet, enjoye software updates and install new hardware.
    If a company or an organisation chose to keep using 20 years old programs, without trying to find better, more modern replacements, IT'S THEIR FAULT!
    Of course that they are running into trouble sooner or later, either with XP, W8 or W10...
    Those who stay on W7 because they don't like W8 Modern style or because a 16 bit, W95 era software won't run anymore even in comp mode, will find themselves with an obsolete OS in a few years. It's not a solution.
    So you have to keep up to date with things. You have no choice.
    Just for enjoying your new 64 bit hardware you need to give up old softs!
    Quote Originally Posted by fredc
    Most people are NOT complaining about only problems , they are voicing their disappointment about not having as much control over the OS as they did in the past .
    Yes, that has been the main disapointment since XP and at every new build, this feeling worsens.
    I think that there is a bit of paranoia about MS reads from your computer, upload your datas, doesn;t let you control your own machine etc...
    I found that there was a slight (I say "slight") improvement on the control over the machine in W10 and that privacy concerns are exagerated.
    The problem is more WHY do we feel like this?
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  3.    19 Sep 2015 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    I think that there is a bit of paranoia about MS reads from your computer, upload your datas, doesn;t let you control your own machine etc...
    I found that there was a slight (I say "slight") improvement on the control over the machine in W10 and that privacy concerns are exagerated.
    The problem is more WHY do we feel like this?
    You have heard of the Butterfly Effect in chaos theory? Well in the digital world now, we have the Snowden Effect I guess.
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  4.    19 Sep 2015 #44
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    It's more to do with increased security making us feel less secure and less empowered - if there are more locks in evidence, and we have to go through hoops to exit and enter our own space, we ourselves are less free.
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  5.    19 Sep 2015 #45
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    The weird thing is ...


    It's strange how the additional OS security features (which are loudly trumpeted) go hand-in-hand with increased OS (and other) surveillance "features" (which are rarely mentioned).

    A few years ago, you were considered to be a "nut job" if you believed that the "Acronym Agencies" were monitoring and collecting all of your communications. Any accusations against these groups resulted in official blanket denials.

    The weird thing is that corporations and politicians now regularly complain that the public see them as corrupt, lying, self-serving scumbags.
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  6.    19 Sep 2015 #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    It's like others saying "If you don't like W10, why don't you use W7???!!".
    I believe that at some point one have to update/upgrade to a more recent version because everything evoluates independantly, and one day an upgrade is necessary because things are not worling together anymore.
    ...
    If a company or an organisation chose to keep using 20 years old programs, without trying to find better, more modern replacements, IT'S THEIR FAULT!
    While I agree in general, real life is not always that simple. A corporation may have mission-critical applications that simply have no modern replacement. That's an absurd position to be in - one that guarantees eventual failure - but it's not unheard of.
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  7.    19 Sep 2015 #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I agree also that for Enterprises updating a few thousand Windows machines may well cause problems -- some old Legacy apps could well have difficulty being run on W10 - for example running some SAP software etc. Until these companies update their corporate software then I agree updating Windows is a problem - but here again maybe the solution is to convert to a Virtual Desktop Infrastructure (VDI) which while being an initial cost will render future upgrades really simple.
    ...
    While Microsoft obviously cannot offer a Win10 solution for applications that doesn't run on Win10, it does offer options for enterprise customers who require a stable operating environment. The "Long Term Servicing Branch" option lets the enterprise defer all but security and patch updates for up to 10 years. (I don't know where driver updates fall in that plan. They may be considered "patches".) This option is apparently available only to enterprise volume customers. I think that's too bad because I think I would like it. No new "features" or "apps".
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  8.    19 Sep 2015 #48
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    How many people would even comprehend the full explanation of the internals contained in the update in the first place. Would you really want to second guess the MS developers? Are you that smart. If so, what is your operating system offering. Might want to try it. Maybe. Let me think about it. Thread closed.
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  9.    19 Sep 2015 #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by lopedoggie View Post
    How many people would even comprehend the full explanation of the internals contained in the update in the first place. Would you really want to second guess the MS developers? Are you that smart. If so, what is your operating system offering. Might want to try it. Maybe. Let me think about it. Thread closed.
    Actually, very few of us can comprehend the explanations, but when something odd happened after applying maintenance I often read the descriptions. I try to make sense of the new behavior in terms of the maintenance. If it looks like a fix caused the odd behavior, and the behavior is bothersome (whether intentional or not) I will pull off the fix. Usually I cannot make a connection between the behavior and the fixes, but occasionally I luck out.

    I rarely read the descriptions before applying the maintenance, but I also never apply the maintenance as soon as it is released. (Even security patches.)
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  10.    28 Sep 2015 #50

    To all the naysayers, that say not everyone wants update information, I ask the simple question.

    Given a choice of getting update information, or not getting update information, what would you chose?
    I for one, say, yes indeed give me the information.
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