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  1.    19 Sep 2015 #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopard View Post
    ... I also take exceptions to your assertion that the compatibility check KB that checks if you are a 'go' for W10 works. No it does not. Posts upon posts in reputable forums such as this has proven this to be incorrect.
    I totally agree with you on this. I have 4 Win7 machines, upgraded the two I use the most to Win10 --BOTH failed! One, thankfully, reverted to Win7 OK, so it still worked. But other got corrupted so bad that no repairs would work. Ended up having to restore it from HP Recovery Media to get it back to working condition. And BOTH had been reserved, and BOTH said that Win10 was ready, and BOTH had 100% compatibility ratings!

    The OEM forums have hundreds, if not thousands, of folks whose machines suffered various degrees of corruption for their Win10 upgrades -- and, nearly all of them that I have read tried to do the GoBack, which (of course!) failed -- resulting in their going to the forums to find out how to get a working machine back.

    However, very recently, I've read threads where folks tried the compatibility appraiser again, and NOW, it tells them about compatibility problems. So, maybe, MS is at last working on upgrading their Upgrade tool.
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  2.    19 Sep 2015 #72
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
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    The one thing most miss as to why the upgrades fail is quite simple and the lesson I had to learn about the 10 installer compared to every other previous version's! If you have any extra drive be sure it's unplugged unless planning a dual boot where it already has an OS on it like a previous version. Otherwise the boot files and temp install folders can easily end up in the wrong places!

    After first cloning 7 over to the second OS I put originally for dual boots and testing images restored pending the next version which 8 turned out not to be! ("to be or not to.." "stifle it buddy!") that became suspect at first for 10 kept failing to go on! Then came the nuke of the entire drive and the clean install of 7 as well as getting SP1 on. 10 still kept running into errors and blank screens if it made it to the first system restart that is until those two storage drives were unplugged! I just happen to take a look at the clean install guide's Step 2 and said "oh (censored) !!!" and went in and unplugged those drives in lightning speed to see 10 finally go on! And the first upgrade was "Buggy"!

    Now imagine those who just happen to have the habit of leaving everything set to automatic and either don't want to fuss or are simply less experienced with issues and have someone else look at their machines if something breaks? I've already heard a few people here mention they woke up and found 10 was already on and you wonder why?

    But having one extra drive or two can prevent that from happening as it would again if I hadn't already removed and hid the 10 app update! along with adding a new Dword32 value for DisableOSUpgrade. Yet the upgrade on the second desktop went on smooth as silk showing at times things can work out. Not for the HP laptop afterwards however! One out of three isn't bad is it? Tell that one to MS!
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  3.    19 Sep 2015 #73
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    win 10 pro 32

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Not for the HP laptop afterwards however! One out of three isn't bad is it? Tell that one to MS!
    Night Hawk
    Did the HP laptop almost make it to completion? If it did, try it again plugged in and put a big fan on it. After my first attempt to upgrade my Compaq failed, I looked around and found others who had to set their laptops on freezer packs to get the upgrade to succeed. Apparently some laptops run hotter than others. The first time around my upgrade failed at 99% complete because of a "system service error". Keeping it cool did the trick for me.
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  4.    19 Sep 2015 #74
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    Australia, Adelaide
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    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.2 MATE (64 bit), W10 Home (64 bit)

    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    I doubt people will be forced to upgrade to windows 10 at all. You just have to change the way you do updates. There is whole thread over at the seven forums that tells you how not to install certain updates.
    Unfortunately that won't help the "average Joe" whose PC is set to update automatically, because they have been told to use that setting (or they've never even bothered to look at it).
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  5.    19 Sep 2015 #75
    Join Date : Jun 2014
    United States
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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit

    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Unfortunately that won't help the "average Joe" whose PC is set to update automatically, because they have been told to use that setting (or they've never even bothered to look at it).
    EXACTLY!

    And all the folks here will never convince me this is the way to push an upgrade. Been with Windows since 3.1 but this pushing crap has really pizzed me off.

    Oh, and don't get me going about the whole updates thing after it is pushed. Pretty much no control there either. Pitiful!
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  6.    19 Sep 2015 #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUFFER View Post
    Night Hawk
    Did the HP laptop almost make it to completion? If it did, try it again plugged in and put a big fan on it. After my first attempt to upgrade my Compaq failed, I looked around and found others who had to set their laptops on freezer packs to get the upgrade to succeed. Apparently some laptops run hotter than others. The first time around my upgrade failed at 99% complete because of a "system service error". Keeping it cool did the trick for me.
    I ordered a notebook cooling pad with a large usb powered blue led fan I set the laptop on when leaving it on for any extended periods like the 28hrs. it took to see a system image made up once 10 was on! The drive used had in the main desktop here with it's twin for storage and backup purposes until being replaced by larger drives and had been acting up. It was used temporarily when grabbing the image now copied onto a new drive. If the laptop was going to get "Hot" it certainly would have been during that stretch seemingly taking forever!

    The upgrade didn't any longer there then seeing the clean installs that followed. The last clean install was seen without the cooling pad in use and on battery time for both repartitioning the drive to replace the OEM stuff entirely and then on with that one additional 10 install when deciding to see the second backup partition created. I suspect with those other laptops overheating they should have considered getting the additional cooling since laptops are hardwares packed into confined spaces with little or no actual air flow to keep temps down when on for long periods of time.

    They are designed mainly for the temp 2-4hrs. durations when on battery not for all day usage when not having something like a gel pad if not another fan or fanless type pad to draw the heat off of them. From your description the CompaQ model you have could use one for sure!

    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Unfortunately that won't help the "average Joe" whose PC is set to update automatically, because they have been told to use that setting (or they've never even bothered to look at it).
    And as I was saying before some here at TF were mentioning that they found 10 already on one day when getting on their machines obviously having left everything set to automatic. When someone mentioned MS changing what options there would be for receiving updates they already have when you compare the options seen for 7 and compare that to 10 which is actually three versions newer.

    You have automatic, schedule a restart, or defer all updates as the three options. But that is with 10 without any worry of being replaced by 10 likely 11 or 12 or whatever next in a couple of years however! What will cause a fiascle over time is that you will be in the middle of something in one version and come back to find another and whatever you were working on lost! The project would be on a software found incompatible with the new version and therefore not included in the upgrade! Want to see fists flying! "rag a ruffin MS foobars! if i get me hands on ..." You can be sure some choice words will be uttered!
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  7.    20 Sep 2015 #77
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    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post



    as I was saying before some here at TF were mentioning that they found 10 already on one day when getting on their machines obviously having left everything set to automatic. When someone mentioned MS changing what options there would be for receiving updates they already have when you compare the options seen for 7 and compare that to 10 which is actually three versions newer.
    How would that be possible to have windows 10 already installed if you didn't agree to the EULA before installing?
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  8.    20 Sep 2015 #78
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    That's a good question. Waiting anxiously for the answer.
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  9.    20 Sep 2015 #79
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    Windows 8.1

    Boy, am I glad that I found this thread. I have a question that I know can be answered here. My question is........I have hidden lots of updates that had anything to do with Windows 10, what I would like to know is........when the free download of Windows 10 expires at the end of July 2016, will Microsoft still try to make me to install Windows 10? Thank you.
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  10.    20 Sep 2015 #80
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    W7/64 Pro

    Re: Does W10 auto download and auto install? ....... My understanding is that if you received the W10 upgrade files on your hard drive and you were not aware of it, it will not automatically try to install - unless/until you do a restart. That starts the install. If it fails to install it will continuously try over and over again and then it becomes a royal pain to get rid of. At this point if you try to uninstall the hidden files (the W10 upgrade) and you still have WU set to automatically download, it will resend the entire upgrade to you again. On the other hand if it does not fail, the install will continue until you are presented with the EULA - the install stops here waiting for your response. Obviously W10 is not completely installed, but as the process has started, you need to proceed cautiously in getting rid of the W10 files. NB: They are protected files.
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