Windows 10: Microsoft pushes Windows 10 upgrade to PCs without user consent

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       19 Sep 2015 #61

    As a rule kids tend to be a bit restless and it takes time working with them to actually get anywhere with them at all. Yet other kids will turn around in a heart beat and end up teaching you what they picked up on much faster then you think! Age doesn't mean you stop learning either! Just look at the career changes people often have to make. Late schooling better then none!
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  2.    19 Sep 2015 #62

    groze said: View Post
    Night Hawk & Others, even the most technical person could click on the wrong thing-I have. This one thing I like about google chrome browser, it keeps adobe flash player in a sandbox. I actually wish chromium, opera, firefox also had the sandbox. I think there is a way to enable sandbox on chromium but I am not sure if it really works. Chromium can (was able to) be installed on windows using Chocolaty package manager.
    A sandboxing software (like Sandboxie) is the solution. I stopped browsing the web on Windows a long time ago, even with a decent av software and common sense it has become very likely that sooner or later you will get a virus, being an "expert" doesn't really protect you from accidentally clicking the wrong thing. Normally I use VMWare Workstation 11 and a Linux guest for web browsing and e-mails. But if I don't want to run the virtual machine (e.g. if I start up the pc just to look for an address...) I use Firefox sandboxed. Needs a bit of configuration work but as soon as that's done it's almost as comfortable to use as using the browser without Sandboxie.
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       19 Sep 2015 #63

    I run with the 64bit variation of FF being Waterfox someone developed separately from Mozilla and not one worry despite unwanted Yahoo or Google tool bar options included with otherwise safe downloads for utility apps being flagged immediately simply when going into the folder they were downloaded to. Sites I found were safe have to be added into the exceptions just to be able to avoid the need to shut the firewall down. I don't have to sandbox or browse by way of VM here at all. The overprotective old school nanny ware steps in on everything! "i'm going to crack your knuckles with my ruler!" slam dunk goes the exe file for an older pc game title I had fun keeping in the exceptions! The game requires that the cd be in the drive as well with only light installation on the drive.

    What gets you is that some old 2000-2002 game title will go right onto each new 64bit version of Windows that comes out while the av program's 2014 version wouldn't even install on 10! At first it was the 2016 beta on the initial upgrade followed by the soon to be replaced 2015 version showing version bound each yearly build is for the exact same av software. Yet 10 has a high degree of backward compatibility for a number of old Vista, 7 type apps.
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  4.    19 Sep 2015 #64

    No doubt MS has a very specific multiphase rollout plan for W10. The first phase is the Free Upgrade Phase (the first 12 months) which includes the 'Reserve', the Media Creation Tool (ISO) and lastly sending W10 to W7/8 licensees who have windows update set to automatically download (this is what MS considers CONSENT). MS will point to the EULA every time and argue that CONSENT was given then. The W7/8 users argue that an entire OS is not an update it is an upgrade and when the offer was made (GWX), the free upgrade, they declined it. Therefore sending it was without consent. MS will continue to send W10 to users with WU set to automatically download but they will be on thin ice if they over-ride the 'notify first - I decide when to update' setting. I would not be surprised if MS changed the options in the W7 windows update engine sooner than later to something more in line with the W10 options. The Home users get no choice, the Pro and Enterprise users can defer for a short period of time before the KB is auto installed. Seems inevitable - so 'KB Watch' had better be on high alert @Emma Shout out to Emma - you are an inspiration to us all.
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  5.    19 Sep 2015 #65

    Night Hawk, it must be your youth showing since you don't look back fondly on the 180KB 5.25" floppys
    Last edited by DUFFER; 19 Sep 2015 at 12:05.
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       19 Sep 2015 #66

    I look back on the days that the computer mine.
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       19 Sep 2015 #67

    Leopard said: View Post
    No doubt MS has a very specific multiphase rollout plan for W10. The first phase is the Free Upgrade Phase (the first 12 months) which includes the 'Reserve', the Media Creation Tool (ISO) and lastly sending W10 to W7/8 licensees who have windows update set to automatically download (this is what MS considers CONSENT). MS will point to the EULA every time and argue that CONSENT was given then. The W7/8 users argue that an entire OS is not an update it is an upgrade and when the offer was made (GWX), the free upgrade, they declined it. Therefore sending it was without consent. MS will continue to send W10 to users with WU set to automatically download but they will be on thin ice if they over-ride the 'notify first - I decide when to update' setting. I would not be surprised if MS changed the options in the W7 windows update engine sooner than later to something more in line with the W10 options. The Home users get no choice, the Pro and Enterprise users can defer for a short period of time before the KB is auto installed. Seems inevitable - so 'KB Watch' had better be on high alert @Emma Shout out to Emma - you are an inspiration to us all.
    @Leopard

    I doubt people will be forced to upgrade to windows 10 at all. You just have to change the way you do updates. There is whole thread over at the seven forums that tells you how not to install certain updates. The latest windows update for itself that I have installed on windows 7 it seems to me there is no communication going on in the background to Microsoft.

    Another reason, all windows 7 & even some 8.1 computers can not be upgrade to windows 10 at all.
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  8.    19 Sep 2015 #68

    I have reviewed the very posts that you site and they are so much appreciated. The list of GWX KBs certainly help and there are scripts that you can run that help. Now let's get real. There are millions of W7/8 users and the expectation is that the MAJORITY are aware of this is false. I would say that many do not access forums such as this. Maybe Facebook and Twitter is their primary info source but do they actually leap into action? - probably not. I also take exceptions to your assertion that the compatibility check KB that checks if you are a 'go' for W10 works. No it does not. Posts upon posts in reputable forums such as this has proven this to be incorrect.
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       19 Sep 2015 #69

    Trust_No1 said: View Post
    @Leopard;@Emma;
    Couldn't agree more, I run circles around my kids when it comes to PCs (they run circles around me otherwise). Lord knows I have tried to teach them, but their passions aren't as great as mine, so they know basically how to turn them on use a few programs. Beyond that they are clueless to issues as updates, viruses, etc. Other than my talking about it, my kids aren't even aware of Windows 10, they are into the iPhone, iPad, Chromebooks, Fire tablets craze I guess.
    The passions part is exactly the excuse i hear most often with seniors and just wanting everything to work without needing to learn something new all over again .

    I actually understand that , makes sense to me . You get to a point in life where you just don't feel like making a huge effort and needing to learn something from the ground up.

    No matter how much i tell my parents and others not to do something because they will likely get infected they do it over and over and over again , very frustrating .

    They won't even take the time to read or understand the reasoning behind it , they just want it to work and for me to fix it lol.


    altae said: View Post
    A sandboxing software (like Sandboxie) is the solution. I stopped browsing the web on Windows a long time ago, even with a decent av software and common sense it has become very likely that sooner or later you will get a virus, being an "expert" doesn't really protect you from accidentally clicking the wrong thing. Normally I use VMWare Workstation 11 and a Linux guest for web browsing and e-mails. But if I don't want to run the virtual machine (e.g. if I start up the pc just to look for an address...) I use Firefox sandboxed. Needs a bit of configuration work but as soon as that's done it's almost as comfortable to use as using the browser without Sandboxie.
    The program "Sandboxie" is directly responsible for my parents not getting infected over the last few years , i knew they were going to end up clicking on questionable stuff and i was tired of spending night and day fixing the problems .

    That program is a God send.
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       19 Sep 2015 #70

    altae said: View Post
    It's never too late to learn Linux Generally I'm still a Windows guy but a few years ago I thought it would be a good idea to start learning Linux, just in case to have an alternative. And now I'm really grateful I did because if MS continues the google and Apple route, forcing spyware on it's users and leave them with no choice whether they want to download something or not the day will come when I'll inevitably have to switch to Linux because I don't like being forced to download updates, run spyware on my pc etc. Once Windows was all about choice, customization, openness and all that. Well, things change, that's how life works and it's good, would be very boring if everything stayed the same
    I started experimenting with Linux back in the 90's, and now consider myself a power user. I have been dual-booting (triple booting now - Win7, Win10, Linux) for years. That way, when I get really mad at Windows I can boot to Linux, and when I get really mad at Linux, I can boot into Windows!
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