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  1.    18 Sep 2015 #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Well this is the problem! Either you do or you don't! I think the original concept was to be able to deliver each newer version as you would have received a service pack. If the notification arrives that 10 is ready to go on you can still opt out simply by not clicking on it.

    As for those who keep things set to automatic those are the ones who have found 10 was already on and some obviously not too thrilled about seeing 10 imposed on them without consent. And this is where the fur can fly when getting into cat fights with a monopoly like MS! You simply won't prevail.

    But in order for a monopoly to keep it's hold it has to make sudden unexpected moves in order maintain the advantage in view of how the open source community for example has seen a tremendous growth over the last quarter century now celebrating it's own 25th birthday! MS has to fight back with enticements like making a new version "Free for You! see!" to be the attention getter. When they ended up trashing Windows with 8 in order to bring in a dual platform type OS they had to make a come back in some fashion after 7 had previously been the Champion of all versions up until that time!
    I hear you Night Hawk. their intentions were probably good but their execution was wanting. It's almost as if they over compensated. I also hear you about monopolies but even the biggest can be humbled...Nortel, GM, etc. by bonehead moves. Human nature is such that people (and companies, who are just groups of people) never believe that it can happen to them.
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  2.    18 Sep 2015 #52

    What really aggravated a lot of people were the updates claiming they were important but they were only important if you had intentions to upgrade .
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  3.    18 Sep 2015 #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredc View Post
    OMG are you serious , i wish i could say the same , all the ones i know don't have a clue about all the dangers and different types of malware .

    When i tell them to be careful and try to educate them they say , "it's a brand new computer , how could it have malware " OR " how can the computer be infected , i have anti virus protection" no joke.
    It's not only the elderly but how many kids with tablets and access to mom and dad's pc? It doesn't take much effort to click on the wrong thing unless you have adequate web filtering in place that blocks bad sites! Malwares and adwares abound the web!

    Quote Originally Posted by dlwmacgregor View Post
    I hear you Night Hawk. their intentions were probably good but their execution was wanting. It's almost as if they over compensated. I also hear you about monopolies but even the biggest can be humbled...Nortel, GM, etc. by bonehead moves. Human nature is such that people (and companies, who are just groups of people) never believe that it can happen to them.
    It's ironic I was just watching a talk show where one of the 2016 candidates was discussing how corporations in the US have to start investing domestically after all these years of outsourcing jobs to other places simply to be nothing more then "Profit Houses" without any regard for the middle class workers who find themselves jobless! It's ironic that one photo sums it all up! Spotted this one on one of the social networks.

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    Part of that was blotted out for the obvious political mud slinging going on but the facts are still relative!

    Quote Originally Posted by fredc View Post
    What really aggravated a lot of people were the updates claiming they were important but they were only important if you had intentions to upgrade .
    "You must have or Else!" is the mind set there. When looking at the updates for any version from XP onward you always see one of two things. "important" and "optional" when looking over what updates have already gone on as well as those still waiting when running a manual search. The full details of exactly what each one is for is left in the dark place and not for you to know! Unless there's a real need like a service release which might roll up a list of patches for the new version that were just seen or a full service pack if not something required to enable some feature that comes disabled by default like Hyper-V in 8, 8.1, and now 10.
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  4.    18 Sep 2015 #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredc View Post
    OMG are you serious , i wish i could say the same , all the ones i know don't have a clue about all the dangers and different types of malware .When i tell them to be careful and try to educate them they say , "it's a brand new computer , how could it have malware " OR " how can the computer be infected , i have anti virus protection" no joke.
    Seniors are not stupid, they just never had computers when they grew up or when they worked. Some of their adult children know less than they do and their grand kids, though great at running games on a smartphone or tablet, know very little about how to use a PC. They have name recognition and that is about it. They have a very cavalier attitude toward security and privacy.
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  5.    18 Sep 2015 #55
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    Sorry this one is a bit personal, won't do it again.

    Thank you leopard. I will be 79 next January and quickly approaching my expiration date. I love this crazy machine, I was 65 when I bought my first one. I am very independent and was determined to learn it. You are right about seniors not growing up with them and they are not stupid. When I bought my first I realized it was the future and bought 5 new computers for family members that still had small children and one for a suicidal nephew, his mom said I saved his life. I really don't like what MS is doing to us.
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  6.    18 Sep 2015 #56
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    It's never too late to learn Linux Generally I'm still a Windows guy but a few years ago I thought it would be a good idea to start learning Linux, just in case to have an alternative. And now I'm really grateful I did because if MS continues the google and Apple route, forcing spyware on it's users and leave them with no choice whether they want to download something or not the day will come when I'll inevitably have to switch to Linux because I don't like being forced to download updates, run spyware on my pc etc. Once Windows was all about choice, customization, openness and all that. Well, things change, that's how life works and it's good, would be very boring if everything stayed the same
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  7.    18 Sep 2015 #57
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    Can I please have back an OS that just does what I tell it I want to do? No automatic cloud crap, no pushed software or ads. Download updates on my own terms. Those were the days!

    I highly recommend the sci-fi show Continuum. It is almost prophecy.
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  8.    18 Sep 2015 #58
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    Night Hawk & Others, even the most technical person could click on the wrong thing-I have. This one thing I like about google chrome browser, it keeps adobe flash player in a sandbox. I actually wish chromium, opera, firefox also had the sandbox. I think there is a way to enable sandbox on chromium but I am not sure if it really works. Chromium can (was able to) be installed on windows using Chocolaty package manager.
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  9.    18 Sep 2015 #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emma View Post
    Sorry this one is a bit personal, won't do it again.

    Thank you leopard. I will be 79 next January and quickly approaching my expiration date. I love this crazy machine, I was 65 when I bought my first one. I am very independent and was determined to learn it. You are right about seniors not growing up with them and they are not stupid. When I bought my first I realized it was the future and bought 5 new computers for family members that still had small children and one for a suicidal nephew, his mom said I saved his life. I really don't like what MS is doing to us.
    I'm sure that was good news to hear for your entire family at the time knowing that someone cared enough to buy a new pc as well as providing a new activity was a motivator in a productive manner. And you will find that older people may know a bit more then most would think since before 1990 when the Cold War ended and the internet was opened up who ran computers? College professors, rocket scientists, military personal all up in their seniors at this late date!

    Once commerce got started on the web everybody wanted in and it was the CB Radio type boom all over again where the competition for better hardwares saw a fast pace in advancing technologies leaving some in the dark. You went from 720mb on a 5.25" floppy to 128gb and even now 1tb on a flash drive! Suddenly it was a case where the OS got too big for it's jeans and needed to trim some Fat like Vista knocking out Fat32 support big mistake.

    The WinMin kernel was then brought in with 7 and 10 is looking condensing things further as far as how to reduce the overhead with processes using less memory. Of course by then with the lessen need to replace outdated hardwares since 7 wouldn't require more then Vista to run and onto 8 the slack in desktop sales overall as all the new hand held toys were introduced and flooding the market MS had to change the focus. "We are a monopoly and still haven't monoploized the mobile market? What is this?!" would be something some MS exec would have been uttering!

    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Night Hawk & Others, even the most technical person could click on the wrong thing-I have. This one thing I like about google chrome browser, it keeps adobe flash player in a sandbox. I actually wish chromium, opera, firefox also had the sandbox. I think there is a way to enable sandbox on chromium but I am not sure if it really works. Chromium can (was able to) be installed on windows using Chocolaty package manager.
    One reason I run the same particular antivirus software I tried out back in late 2010 is that it won't simply let you onto sites where there are any question marks. The web filtering gets refreshed by the updates from the company's other security data base continually being updated on the various bogey sites as well as malwares floating around on the web and even scam sites at times.

    The leading problem however is not with which browser you have and what sand box you want to run things in but user interaction! If you never click on anything that looks interesting you never get stung! Browse, Look, and Do Not Touch! Now how many people do you know who won't? Not many! Here I end up "bug hunting" often enough when someone had an oops ut oh! type of day clicking on the wrong thing and getting a nice one tucked away in there some place. When contacting one support and getting screamed at for not using their special removal tool I had to let them know it was already too late since the bug was found, isolated,, and removed. I would keep the removal tool for some other event.
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  10.    19 Sep 2015 #60

    Quote Originally Posted by Leopard View Post
    Seniors are not stupid, they just never had computers when they grew up or when they worked. Some of their adult children know less than they do and their grand kids, though great at running games on a smartphone or tablet, know very little about how to use a PC. They have name recognition and that is about it. They have a very cavalier attitude toward security and privacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Emma View Post
    Sorry this one is a bit personal, won't do it again.

    Thank you leopard. I will be 79 next January and quickly approaching my expiration date. I love this crazy machine, I was 65 when I bought my first one. I am very independent and was determined to learn it. You are right about seniors not growing up with them and they are not stupid. When I bought my first I realized it was the future and bought 5 new computers for family members that still had small children and one for a suicidal nephew, his mom said I saved his life. I really don't like what MS is doing to us.
    @Leopard;@Emma;
    Couldn't agree more, I run circles around my kids when it comes to PCs (they run circles around me otherwise). Lord knows I have tried to teach them, but their passions aren't as great as mine, so they know basically how to turn them on use a few programs. Beyond that they are clueless to issues as updates, viruses, etc. Other than my talking about it, my kids aren't even aware of Windows 10, they are into the iPhone, iPad, Chromebooks, Fire tablets craze I guess.
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