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  1.    08 Oct 2015 #251

    I have used the simple Windows built in image maker , never failed me but i know others prefer Macrium , i don't find it necessary .
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  2.    08 Oct 2015 #252
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berton View Post
    There is absolutely nothing preventing you from creating the disc from the .iso file except in having a program to do it. If you don't have a CD/DVD burning program such as Roxio or Nero [there's others] you can use CDBurnerXP or ImageBurn, both free and can use the .iso file to create a disc that is an exact copy of the original, quite useful when the original is not available. Nearly all of the 200+ versions of Linux are delivered as .iso files for downloading from the Internet.
    There are a number of programs to find out there like UNetBootIn, Win to USB, gimages, ISO to USB, the MS tools, Rufus as well as the UltraISO program that does everything including creating disk images as well as putting them(Linux as well as Windows) onto flash drives or burn to dvd. I've been using the same version for the Premium version now since 7 first launched.

    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Night Hawk, if I understand your post correctly. My windows 7 computer shouldn't be able to run windows 10 but it actually can. In fact, windows 10 uses windows update drivers for my system and not the manufacture drivers.

    I found out, if you are upgrading and don't want to do a clean install afterwords. Let Windows 10 install check for updates to your system. It should update most if not all of your drivers. The install takes a little longer this way but it does less updating after windows 10 in installed. My experience.
    It's not that 10 won't go on but won't be able to run correctly without the necessary device drivers found. As a rule of thought in more recent years Windows has included a library of generic drivers to allow a fresh install to include a wide variety of hardware combinations if the installer is able to track down a good percentage of updates. Someone who tried but failed to be able to get 10 on one laptop mentioned that was an older model that came with 7 preinstalled but when checked up on found nothing newer for 8, and 8.1.

    Quote Originally Posted by fredc View Post
    I think i am past that point , i have bootable Win 7 ISO disks, i just would love to have Win 7 on a bootable disk with all the right drivers and Windows updates already installed is what i was saying .
    Well look over the guide posted earlier from the Seven Forums which goes into things step by step but only for 7 not anything newer. SP1 as well as a list of updates at the time the guide was posted were the things you could slipstream into a new ISO image if not able to add into an existing one and able to see it made bootable. I found UtraISO while looking for a program that could create new disk images as well as write to flash drive and also found it could burn to disk. The Media Creation Tool can also do that as far as writing or burning 10 on media. Here I simply downloaded direct to the drive to keep onhand already having the program I needed.
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  3.    08 Oct 2015 #253
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    Thank you fredc. I did that for my W 7, but the only thing I could find on my W 8 Acer is called recovery and it just makes a repair disk.
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    The recovery disk when made up should see the option to restore everything back to factory state with the PC Refresh option. That is almost the same as a full clean install without wiping the primary just everything may not be packed up in a Windows.old folder. Everything you put on since new will be wiped from the Program Files, Program Files(x86), and users folders if no Windows.old is found afterwards. All programs you put on will be gone while any of that 3rd party stuff you dumped will be back on again!

    Typically the OEM recovery image is mounted on a virtual drive while you are booted live from the recovery disk you see made up. The alternative option of course is having 8 media and simply or with previous versions if embedded you would simply enter the key on the sticker. WIth the embedded keys someone came up with the tool to recover that before seeing the original factory install wiped. Download Windows OEM Product Key Tool - NeoSmart Technologies

    Here I compare Acronis up against the built in backup option seen since Vista Ultimate(only Vista edition to see it) where Acronis didn't need to find the image you made in the exact same folder in the event the image is backed up to a second place in a new folder. That besides the larger size of the image created the restoration of it depends on keeping everything the same where the Windows option is limited. Acronis like other 3rd party wares with options allows you to restore an image even if you renamed it to "Fred's storage.tib" from the original name like "Windows 10 Pro x64.tib" tib being that program's 3 digit extenstion.

    From what I have heard Macruim's freebie has it's own limits with certain things. Besides that freeware other companies including Acronis, Paragon, Norton had Ghost years back, and others tend to offer the full features in a time limited trial flavor when you only need a full program for a short period. Here I simply grabbed the 2010 retail carton for Acronis True Image Home 5yrs, ago for 7 and still have it running on 10! The software disk also serves as a live recovery disk for that program.

    I've worked with both the Windows option and Acronis and being a paid for separate entity I found what I was expecting being reliability along with the flexibility a full paid for program will offer. For servicing any system for someone else who doesn't have any program however but has a second drive or partition the Windows option makes it possible to get out of a tight situation.
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    Thanks NHawk, I don't think what I saved is an image, I think it is just a copy of the recovery software on the PC. I was hoping for something that will put all back like you guys have said instead of re installing it all. I do okay when I have to reformat and I don't mind doing it except for the games. I have 22 on my PC. I tried copying the game folders in programs X(86) and putting them in programs after I set my PC up or buy a new one, but that did not work except for 3 or 4 games.
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    That saves the game saves themselves as I simply back up the key folders to a separate drive or outside of the MS created folders in one I create for the purpose of manually backing things up. Once a drive is wiped even when you copy the folders back most games still need to see new entries created in the System Registry as you would see with any other type of program except for what is called "stand alone" meaning once unpacked into a folder on the drive all you do is double click on the exe or other executable type file to see it run.

    With laptops here I see to it that each one sees a full system image back up made in the event the OS is trashed or the drive fails like it has on an old Vista model for someone. On the one I just upgraded to 10 that has a rather interesting turn of events however. When going to see the image made it took right about 28hrs.! The drive used had been one of the two storage drives previously installed on the main build here but stuffed into an external usb enclosure at first to get everything off of it before it going to be gone for good but since the other drive was installed on the main case temporarily while waiting for two new larger drives I used that old one that had some problems trying to access it at times.

    The image was successful and subsequently backed up to the first drive used in the enclosure before that was removed from the main case. While I highly doubt 7 will ever go back on the laptop that now has two images one for the 32bit 7 factory install and the other being a clean install of 10 without all of that factory and 3rd party "bloat wares"? The System Reserved and two other small partitions mainly for HP tools and 3rd party crud are gone for good!

    What a full image offers is the ability to restore everything that is presently on the drive including all partitions when not simply selecting the OS primary only in the event the OS is tossed or you see a drive fail suddenly where you would otherwise lose everything. And so far that $70 or $80 spend back in 2010 at a local Circuit City at the time has paid for itself in the last 5yrs.! I've literally backed up several desktops as well as some laptops since the enclosure takes IDE as well Sata drives. 2.5" as well as 3.5" models will fit in and connect as well.

    Actually I was quite surprised at first finding the 2010 purchase would go right onto 10 and not see any problems while the 2014 build for the av program would not even get half way but stall on the spot requiring the latest only! Originally I went for that over MR or some other software since the reputation marks were high.. And it can actually save the day when something goes wrong when you have a full image backup made! Just make sure the external HD or drive in the external usb or eSata enclosure is in good working order first! and that way you won't run into the problem I had with the one out of the two that was on the way out!

    Here the images make things easy by way of time saving since two large storage drives back things up from any OS drive or partition. In the event of a drive failing like the second backup drive was doing? you can start over fresh except for some program installs that only allow a single activation per purchase where you would end buying it all over again.
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  7.    08 Oct 2015 #257
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    Thanks Night Hawk, It was all very informative. I could understand that, most posts here are hard to understand with my limited PC knowledge.
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    Free Macrium has always been very popular. The free version will do almost anything you want to do. It is much more flexible and reliable than the Windows built in image. A lot of people like the Windows built in imager, but I find it too inflexible. Macrium as well as Paragon will let you image any partition on a disk or the whole disk or disks, if you want to. It will clone, and do incremental images if you prefer.
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    It takes awhile to learn how to follow conversations at times especially when some prefer to use a form of slang when posting rather then keeping things plain and simple. Often I seem to end up with longer posts when trying to get into more details without going over someone's head.

    The golden rule of thought as far as seeing full system images is the ability to put everything back on if you have a bad day sometime when you least expect it. With a second OS drive I could easily restore any image to be sure it came out in good working order rather then find it was useless at the time it was needed! You can't say it better then that to people.

    Quote Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
    Free Macrium has always been very popular. The free version will do almost anything you want to do. It is much more flexible and reliable than the Windows built in image. A lot of people like the Windows built in imager, but I find it too inflexible. Macrium as well as Paragon will let you image any partition on a disk or the whole disk or disks, if you want to. It will clone, and do incremental images if you prefer.
    I have been hearing about Macrium since first looking at 7 while the word on Acronis goes back a bit further in the old XP days in fact before Vista arrived. I used to hear the raves about Norton Ghost while some would be pointing at Acronis after they had found it reliable.

    As with any paid for program you generally would expect it to be a bit more flexible and not limited while the Windows option is simply a fast freebie when you have nothing else to work with. The one thing MS did with it which impressed me the most however was see it included in all editions of 7 including Starter while it was only seen in Vista's Ultimate edition there. That provided everyone running 7 with the free option available much like 10 is now a free upgrade offer. MS wants 10 to see the success 7 had for sure!
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  10.    08 Oct 2015 #260
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    I think I will just stick with my reformatting and reinstall everything. It is easier on this old brain of mine.
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