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       03 Oct 2015 #171

    No I am not kidding! I know someone when they first got a nice little gift from "Hubby" namely an older model Vista laptop some years back the connection was by satellite at first where I asked and got told that person was being charged by the page. Apparently charged by the site depending on how time was spent on each one. I thought that was ridiculous at the time but knew from the first cell phone sometimes you can get into some raw deals!
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       03 Oct 2015 #172

    Lee said: View Post
    . . .you'll still commenting won't you. . .. . .even if I do get you upset at times, I still like reading your post. . .

    I don't get upset Lee , i just like playing the part as being outraged , (although waiting over 8 hours for Win 7 updates is brutal), i get a kick out of it . You always make me smile , so predictable, but i am as well lol.
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       03 Oct 2015 #173

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    No I am not kidding! I know someone when they first got a nice little gift from "Hubby" namely an older model Vista laptop some years back the connection was by satellite at first where I asked and got told that person was being charged by the page. Apparently charged by the site depending on how time was spent on each one. I thought that was ridiculous at the time but knew from the first cell phone sometimes you can get into some raw deals!
    I sure would like to know, how can a company tell how long your on a website? So, I guess for reading a long website on a limited connection, I would use browser that will allow you to work off-line. A lot of browsers have taken that option off. I just thought once you download a webpage to a browser, you are not using that connection any longer (unless you are streaming video/music).
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       03 Oct 2015 #174

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    No I am not kidding! I know someone when they first got a nice little gift from "Hubby" namely an older model Vista laptop some years back the connection was by satellite at first where I asked and got told that person was being charged by the page. Apparently charged by the site depending on how time was spent on each one. I thought that was ridiculous at the time but knew from the first cell phone sometimes you can get into some raw deals!
    groze said: View Post
    I sure would like to know, how can a company tell how long your on a website? So, I guess for reading a long website on a limited connection, I would use browser that will allow you to work off-line. A lot of browsers have taken that option off. I just thought once you download a webpage to a browser, you are not using that connection any longer (unless you are streaming video/music).
    I've had satellite ISP for over ten years now and it was never metered by the page, is metered by the data use. No matter what is being done like browsing or streaming video. If I stream a 300 MB video that is what is deducted, if I visit a page that has 500 KB of data then that is what gets deducted. Big reason I use AdBlock, every byte counts. Some sites do constantly refresh so have to be careful about that.
    Bottom line though is data is data no matter what I'm doing.
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       03 Oct 2015 #175

    popeye said: View Post
    I've had satellite ISP for over ten years now and it was never metered by the page, is metered by the data use. No matter what is being done like browsing or streaming video. If I stream a 300 MB video that is what is deducted, if I visit a page that has 500 KB of data then that is what gets deducted. Big reason I use AdBlock, every byte counts. Some sites do constantly refresh so have to be careful about that.
    Bottom line though is data is data no matter what I'm doing.
    I don't know what browser(s) you use.
    I use Pale Moon and set my addons to "Ask to Activate".
    That way such things as Flash Player page media don't auto run when i open the page.

    I do this for my security/performance beliefs.
    I'm not metered (yet), so i don't care about data usage, that's not a concern for me.

    If i was metered, settings such as this would become more important for me.

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       03 Oct 2015 #176

    DavidE said: View Post
    I don't know what browser(s) you use.
    I use Pale Moon and set my addons to "Ask to Activate".
    That way such things as Flash Player page media don't auto run when i open the page.

    I do this for my security/performance beliefs.
    I'm not metered (yet), so i don't care about data usage, that's not a concern for me.

    If i was metered, settings such as this would become more important for me.

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    Trust me after ten years on metered internet I know all the tricks. I also have a router that reports usage by device. Thanks though.
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       03 Oct 2015 #177

    popeye said: View Post
    Trust me after ten years on metered internet I know all the tricks. I also have a router that reports usage by device. Thanks though.
    OK
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       03 Oct 2015 #178

    Night Hawk said: View Post

    Given the long awareness of privacy in Redmond, then, the virulent attacks against Windows 10 this summer came as an unwelcome surprise. Critics have accused Windows 10 of spying on customers and collecting data for nefarious purposes, and those criticisms, despite a lack of supporting evidence, have persisted.
    It's a mystery either way you look at it!
    Not really.

    MS' own statements caused the issue (initially).
    Once reports started surfacing about the Privacy switches not preventing the transmission of data, it escalated.

    The Automatic Updates issue only made it worse.
    MS seems to think that because they "own" the OS, they own your PC too.

    If they want total control of my PC, then they can supply me with a $5K desktop any time they want and I won't complain that they own it.

    From the article:
    The trouble for Microsoft is that its only communication on Windows 10 privacy features so far has been its privacy policy, a long document written by lawyers and designed to cover a broad range of legal situations across hundreds of jurisdictions worldwide.
    No, legal terms are used to make it unintelligible to ordinary users.
    Words have specific legal meanings, which often bear little resemblance to normal usage.

    Since MS has lawyers in every country an all-in-one EULA/Policy is just penny-pinching slackness.

    groze said: View Post
    I sure would like to know, how can a company tell how long your on a website? So, I guess for reading a long website on a limited connection, I would use browser that will allow you to work off-line. A lot of browsers have taken that option off. I just thought once you download a webpage to a browser, you are not using that connection any longer (unless you are streaming video/music).
    They could count the number of "Ad Breaks" you get sent.
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       03 Oct 2015 #179

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    Not really.

    MS' own statements caused the issue (initially).
    Once reports started surfacing about the Privacy switches not preventing the transmission of data, it escalated.

    The Automatic Updates issue only made it worse.
    MS seems to think that because they "own" the OS, they own your PC too.

    If they want total control of my PC, then they can supply me with a $5K desktop any time they want and I won't complain that they own it.
    I love that idea! There is also Linux which is looking better and better. Sorry, I am not totally invested with cloud, tablets, phones, etc, like the younger crowd. I want my PC to do what I want it to do with nothing forced or pushed or shady background stuff going on. Linux is looking better and better.

    Then again, I'll probably be dead in 10-20 years. New folks at the wheel now.
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       04 Oct 2015 #180

    popeye said: View Post
    I love that idea! There is also Linux which is looking better and better. Sorry, I am not totally invested with cloud, tablets, phones, etc, like the younger crowd. I want my PC to do what I want it to do with nothing forced or pushed or shady background stuff going on. Linux is looking better and better.

    Then again, I'll probably be dead in 10-20 years. New folks at the wheel now.
    Yeah , i can't even figure a basic computer out so no smartphone's or tablets for me , i never get phone calls from anyone anyway , if my phone rings , i know it's a wrong # .

    Death can't come quick enough for me either , where is a banana peel at the top of a steep staircase when you need one?
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