Windows 10: Microsoft pushes Windows 10 upgrade to PCs without user consent

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    W 7 desktop Home Premium 64 - OS
       27 Sep 2015 #151

    One bit of advice always order the reformatting disks when you buy a new PC. I know there is a recovery on the PC, but if doesn't work it doesn't help much. Also an HP tech told me the disk are much more thorough than the recover on the PC. I believe that because I did a recover on my PC recently when I had a problem it and it only took half the time the disks did.

    I can't find the forum that discussed the need to make a MS account to set up a new pc. During the prepping for W 10, upgrading it then going back to 8.1 I reformatted and did not activate my wifi when I was setting up. When the box came up for my name and email, I just put my initials in the name box and clicked next or whatever, it accepted it.
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    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.1 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       27 Sep 2015 #152

    Emma said: View Post
    One bit of advice always order the reformatting disks when you buy a new PC. I know there is a recovery on the PC, but if doesn't work it doesn't help much. Also an HP tech told me the disk are much more thorough than the recover on the PC. I believe that because I did a recover on my PC recently when I had a problem it and it only took half the time the disks did.
    HDD read speeds are better than optical disc (and most USB) read speeds, so reinstalling should be much faster.

    When I ran W98 I used to have the installer on a separate HDD partition.
    Since W98 had to reinstalled regularly, it was more convenient (and faster) than using the installer disc.
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    Win10 Home and Pro, Win10 Insider Preview, Win7 Home, Linux Mint
       27 Sep 2015 #153

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    When I ran W98 I used to have the installer on a separate HDD partition.
    Since W98 had to reinstalled regularly, it was more convenient (and faster) than using the installer disc.
    Another 'trick' I did back then was to have all the data copied from the CD into a Folder then find the Registry entry that mentioned the drive Windows was installed from and change the path to that saved Folder then if installing programs asked for additional support files it would look in that Folder. The process could be used for other programs.
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  4. Posts : 3,357
    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
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       28 Sep 2015 #154

    You don't have that luxury anymore unfortunately including custom installing the old Legacy version to a Windows folder with a slight name change! I actually had 95 in a dual boot with 98SE when first looking at the newer version installed in a "Window98" folder with both versions running which you wouldn't be able to see done later!

    The old Legacy versions weren't too much more then layered applications in those days. Since that time however the Windows OS has been integrated with the hardware preventing any type of coexistence except for VMs between versions even different editions of the same. Not sure if that would have been possible with ME or not still having been a Fat32 OS there having skipped over that and 2000 which wouldn't being NTFS. Still have to get around to DOSBox to see if that will work on 10 as it did on the 64bit 7.

    As for seeing 7 and newer installed some will simply mount an ISO or even run the setup.exe from the "$Windows~WS\Sources\Windows 10 Pro(renamed from "Windows")\setup.exe" folder location on separate hard drive while I still need to be booted live from another source like the 10 media and get it running from the command prompt option there still seeing a drive to drive type install for a fresh clean install not upgrade to take place.

    Some report the mounted ISO install goes on much faster 12 minutes for 7 compared to the average 20min. for the previous version there. As far as actual times I find the installer is what takes the most time when going to detect all devices with the setup files already unpacked onto the destination drive where the installation is taking place only accessing the source being the flash drive or optical after having booted live or performing an upgrade.

    The mounted ISO is on a virtual optical while the WS or BT folder containing the installation files would be expected to save a little time when on a separate partition if the OS drive was already split up. You would still want to unpack the usb flash drive or dvd burned into that folder however to insure everything was intact from a known to be good burn or write however if not from an ISO directly.

    Here since there is method for seeing a working 4 in 1 usb stick created for both 32/64 flavors having both edition wrapped up together I unpacked the working deal there into a folders on each of the storage drives where I keep other things like the gatherostate.exe files used to get the Genuine Ticket to avoid the need for the initial upgrade install. Clean Install Windows 10 Directly without having to Upgrade First - Windows 10 Forums
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    W10Prox64
       28 Sep 2015 #155

    I'll admit I haven't read all 16 pages of this thread, but I can say that I found the W10 files were downloaded on a computer without a reservation, without the GWX icon in the taskbar, and although the W10 upgrade is listed under "optional" in Windows Update, I found it was AUTO-CHECKED to install, and I had to stop Windows Updates several times to get it to stop upgrading a pc I was working on. Then, when I looked under the hood, I found it had already tried to upgrade and had failed.

    That is some nerve, if you ask me.
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  6. Posts : 558
    Windows 10
       28 Sep 2015 #156

    simrick said: View Post
    I'll admit I haven't read all 16 pages of this thread, but I can say that I found the W10 files were downloaded on a computer without a reservation, without the GWX icon in the taskbar, and although the W10 upgrade is listed under "optional" in Windows Update, I found it was AUTO-CHECKED to install, and I had to stop Windows Updates several times to get it to stop upgrading a pc I was working on. Then, when I looked under the hood, I found it had already tried to upgrade and had failed.

    That is some nerve, if you ask me.


    It's outrageous , I keep needing to remove Win 10 updates as well after going back to 7 for good yesterday . Win 10 is just awful , hate it .

    The windows update that installs the "get windows 10 app" is listed as important lol.
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  7.    29 Sep 2015 #157

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    HDD read speeds are better than optical disc (and most USB) read speeds, so reinstalling should be much faster.

    When I ran W98 I used to have the installer on a separate HDD partition.
    Since W98 had to reinstalled regularly, it was more convenient (and faster) than using the installer disc.
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  8.    29 Sep 2015 #158

    fredc said: View Post
    It's outrageous , I keep needing to remove Win 10 updates as well after going back to 7 for good yesterday . Win 10 is just awful , hate it .

    The windows update that installs the "get windows 10 app" is listed as important lol.
    . . .you'll still commenting won't you. . .. . .even if I do get you upset at times, I still like reading your post. . .
    Last edited by Lee; 29 Sep 2015 at 06:30.
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  9. Posts : 3,357
    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
    Thread Starter
       29 Sep 2015 #159

    simrick said: View Post
    I'll admit I haven't read all 16 pages of this thread, but I can say that I found the W10 files were downloaded on a computer without a reservation, without the GWX icon in the taskbar, and although the W10 upgrade is listed under "optional" in Windows Update, I found it was AUTO-CHECKED to install, and I had to stop Windows Updates several times to get it to stop upgrading a pc I was working on. Then, when I looked under the hood, I found it had already tried to upgrade and had failed.

    That is some nerve, if you ask me.
    fredc said: View Post
    It's outrageous , I keep needing to remove Win 10 updates as well after going back to 7 for good yesterday . Win 10 is just awful , hate it .

    The windows update that installs the "get windows 10 app" is listed as important lol.
    Simple solution! If you have each and every update for 10 listed you right click on each one to select the hide option and call it a day! You also can disable any further upgrade issues by creating a new key and DWord32 value in the system reg that will prevent any OS upgrades. The failed upgrade attempt was likely from having one or more additional Non OS drives plugged in where you may want to examine those for any boot files or BT, WS "$Windows~__" temp install folders. If any 10 upgrade failed one or more items will be found on the other drive(s)!
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  10.    29 Sep 2015 #160

    Ya this is bs
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