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  1.    11 Sep 2015 #31

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    The regular Office still has a permanent license. You may be thinking of Office 365 Home which is a subscription, monthly or annually. Office 365 allows use on five computers and five mobiles on the one subscription ($10/month or $100/year). Look for a Windows 365 subscription product in a couple of years. The x365 products are an alternative, not a replacement, for their respective products.
    Thanks for the clarification.

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       11 Sep 2015 #32

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    The regular Office still has a permanent license.
    Yes, and if I'm not mistaken, you can still get a perpetual license to Office 2016; however, it will most likely be for one computer only. I haven't seen a price on it yet.

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    You may be thinking of Office 365 Home which is a subscription, monthly or annually. Office 365 allows use on five computers and five mobiles on the one subscription ($10/month or $100/year).
    Office 365 can be had for personal, home or business. Personal will cost $69.99 per year, while Home (Premium) will cost $9.99 per month or $99 per year and Business will cost from $5.00 per user to $12.50 per user. Other than Personal, users can enjoy a full, installed Office experience across PCs, Macs, Windows tablets and iPad® and Android™ tablets, and most mobile devices. Each user can install Office on 5 PCs or Macs, 5 tablets (Windows, iPad, and Android), and 5 phones. It should be noted that tablets over 10.1" will count as a full PC or Mac.

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    Look for a Windows 365 subscription product in a couple of years. The x365 products are an alternative, not a replacement, for their respective products.
    Well, actually, your timing is a tad bit off. Office 365 2016 will be officially released September 22, 2015, so it's a couple of years ahead of your prediction. In fact, the days are long gone when Office 365 was an "alternative" to a standalone version of Office, whether it be 2003, 2007, 2010 or 2013.

    I've spent the past year testing Microsoft Office 2016 and I can tell you it's not an alternative, but a full fledged standalone desktop program in its own right. Not only that, but put it in the ring with Office 2013 and Office 2016 will KO 2013 and have it laying on the mat in nothing flat; that's how advanced O365 2016 is!
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  3.    11 Sep 2015 #33

    Well, actually, your timing is a tad bit off. Office 365 2016 will be officially released September 22, 2015, so it's a couple of years ahead of your prediction.

    I didn't say Office 365. I predicted WINDOWS 365 in a couple of years.
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       11 Sep 2015 #34

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    Well, actually, your timing is a tad bit off. Office 365 2016 will be officially released September 22, 2015, so it's a couple of years ahead of your prediction.

    I didn't say Office 365. I predicted WINDOWS 365 in a couple of years.
    Urk! So you did!

    Well, for what it's worth, I predict that your prediction won't come true.
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  5.    11 Sep 2015 #35

    Wynona said: View Post
    Urk! So you did!

    Well, for what it's worth, I predict that your prediction won't come true.
    It's a bet. That's where the Insider Program is headed. It's the delivery system that Microsoft is testing as well as the software.
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       11 Sep 2015 #36

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    It's a bet. That's where the Insider Program is headed. It's the delivery system that Microsoft is testing as well as the software.
    Well, now that I think about it, it's already Windows 365 . . .

    Lemme see now . . . The selling point for Office 365 is that it's always current in that you ". . . receive monthly feature and security updates just the same as over the past few years. Moving forward, this always up-to-date approach is called Current Branch and means that you always have the most current Office apps and capabilities deployed. The next Current Branch will release on September 22nd and will have all of the new Office 2016 app updates included. . . Source here: Admins—get ready for Office 2016, rollout begins September 22! - Office Blogs

    Sound familiar? It should, because that's almost exactly the same wording we've seen in Windows 10, right? So, here we are, at Windows 365 without the subscription price! Here's an excerpt from the Windows blog . . . once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device – at no cost. With Windows 10, the experience will evolve and get even better over time. We’ll deliver new features when they’re ready, not waiting for the next major release. We think of Windows as a Service – in fact, one could reasonably think of Windows in the next couple of years as one of the largest Internet services on the planet. The source is here: The next generation of Windows: Windows 10 | Blogging Windows

    Of course, Windows in the Enterprise will be a whole 'nother thing. Corporations and larger businesses will continue to have volume licensing because that's the nature of the beast.

    BTW, StarFerret's busily stuffing my words down my throat!
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  7.    11 Sep 2015 #37

    Wynona said: View Post
    Well, now that I think about it, it's already Windows 365 . . .

    Lemme see now . . . The selling point for Office 365 is that it's always current in that you ". . . receive monthly feature and security updates just the same as over the past few years. Moving forward, this always up-to-date approach is called Current Branch and means that you always have the most current Office apps and capabilities deployed. The next Current Branch will release on September 22nd and will have all of the new Office 2016 app updates included. . . Source here: Admins—get ready for Office 2016, rollout begins September 22! - Office Blogs

    Sound familiar? It should, because that's almost exactly the same wording we've seen in Windows 10, right? So, here we are, at Windows 365 without the subscription price! Here's an excerpt from the Windows blog . . . once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device – at no cost. With Windows 10, the experience will evolve and get even better over time. We’ll deliver new features when they’re ready, not waiting for the next major release. We think of Windows as a Service – in fact, one could reasonably think of Windows in the next couple of years as one of the largest Internet services on the planet. The source is here: The next generation of Windows: Windows 10 | Blogging Windows

    Of course, Windows in the Enterprise will be a whole 'nother thing. Corporations and larger businesses will continue to have volume licensing because that's the nature of the beast.

    BTW, StarFerret's busily stuffing my words down my throat!
    The difference is that you still buy Windows the traditional way. It's when a subscription plan for Windows is offered that it will be branded as Windows 365. Obviously in some parts of the world or for those with metered connections, the subscription plan would not be the version of choice, so, like Office today, there will be both subscription and "boxed" offerings.
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       11 Sep 2015 #38

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    The difference is that you still buy Windows the traditional way. It's when a subscription plan for Windows is offered that it will be branded as Windows 365. Obviously in some parts of the world or for those with metered connections, the subscription plan would not be the version of choice, so, like Office today, there will be both subscription and "boxed" offerings.
    I don't think a subscription plan will ever be offered, nor do I think a "boxed" version that doesn't include automatic updates will ever be offered for the following reasons:

    Traditional way . . . you custom build your own computer and buy a boxed version of Windows 10 . . . or, you buy a computer with Windows 10 already installed on it. If you replace a motherboard on a Windows 10 computer, you gotta buy a new copy of Windows 10.

    If I custom build a computer, I'm not going to continue to pay for Windows 10 for the next five or ten years. Who in their right mind would buy a computer and then continue paying for a subscription to Windows? And if I had installed a new motherboard into a current computer, I wouldn't continue paying a subscription fee for Windows.

    Not likely! I'd go to a form of Linux before I'd do that. And . . . Apple's Mac would look a whole lot more palatable to me.

    Since Windows 10 will remain in perpetual upgrade status, and since Microsoft now allows us a bit of control over how our updates are applied, even those on metered connections will not find it hard to keep Windows updated the way they wish. They can simply run Windows with a local account and, say, once a month, sign in with their Microsoft account to get updates. That's not really hard for me to imagine.

    And the last and most important reason is that Microsoft wants to be top dog in the world of Operating Systems. They know as well as I do that if they start to charge a subscription fee for Windows they'll lose.

    Microsoft doesn't make its money off us enthusiasts; there are much larger fish in the sea and those are the ones they're courting. However, if Microsoft charges me a subscription fee for Windows, then it follows that to avoid discrimination against the little guy they have to charge everyone a subscription fee and that includes small businesses on up to the largest corporation.

    There are many, many ways Microsoft makes its money, and Windows isn't anywhere near the top of the food chain when it comes to income for Microsoft.

    So, no, I don't think they'll ever make Windows a subscription service. They don't dare; they know the consequences.
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  9.    11 Sep 2015 #39

    Wynona said: View Post
    I don't think a subscription plan will ever be offered, nor do I think a "boxed" version that doesn't include automatic updates will ever be offered for the following reasons:

    Traditional way . . . you custom build your own computer and buy a boxed version of Windows 10 . . . or, you buy a computer with Windows 10 already installed on it. If you replace a motherboard on a Windows 10 computer, you gotta buy a new copy of Windows 10.

    If I custom build a computer, I'm not going to continue to pay for Windows 10 for the next five or ten years. Who in their right mind would buy a computer and then continue paying for a subscription to Windows? And if I had installed a new motherboard into a current computer, I wouldn't continue paying a subscription fee for Windows.

    Not likely! I'd go to a form of Linux before I'd do that. And . . . Apple's Mac would look a whole lot more palatable to me.

    Since Windows 10 will remain in perpetual upgrade status, and since Microsoft now allows us a bit of control over how our updates are applied, even those on metered connections will not find it hard to keep Windows updated the way they wish. They can simply run Windows with a local account and, say, once a month, sign in with their Microsoft account to get updates. That's not really hard for me to imagine.

    And the last and most important reason is that Microsoft wants to be top dog in the world of Operating Systems. They know as well as I do that if they start to charge a subscription fee for Windows they'll lose.

    Microsoft doesn't make its money off us enthusiasts; there are much larger fish in the sea and those are the ones they're courting. However, if Microsoft charges me a subscription fee for Windows, then it follows that to avoid discrimination against the little guy they have to charge everyone a subscription fee and that includes small businesses on up to the largest corporation.

    There are many, many ways Microsoft makes its money, and Windows isn't anywhere near the top of the food chain when it comes to income for Microsoft.

    So, no, I don't think they'll ever make Windows a subscription service. They don't dare; they know the consequences.
    Only a tiny percentage of users build their own computers. Most get Windows preinstalled on the device. But a large percentage of households have multiple devices from desktops to smart phones. The point of Office 365 is that you get Office kept up to date on five computers and five mobiles for ONE Price. That would be the point of Windows 365. Up to ten devices on ONE price. You are still thinking about one computer, but my point is that one computer is no longer the norm any more than building a computer is common anymore. Now the norm is computers, laptops, tablets, and phones - all in the same household and can use the same OS. Keeping them all on the current branch begs for a subscription service. Buying boxes every three years is much more expensive. The math works because of the proliferation of computing devices.
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       11 Sep 2015 #40

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    Only a tiny percentage of users build their own computers. Most get Windows preinstalled on the device. But a large percentage of households have multiple devices from desktops to smart phones. The point of Office 365 is that you get Office kept up to date on five computers and five mobiles for ONE Price. That would be the point of Windows 365. Up to ten devices on ONE price. You are still thinking about one computer, but my point is that one computer is no longer the norm any more than building a computer is common anymore. Now the norm is computers, laptops, tablets, and phones - all in the same household and can use the same OS. Keeping them all on the current branch begs for a subscription service. Buying boxes every three years is much more expensive. The math works because of the proliferation of computing devices.
    The overwhelming majority of people i know have one computer , they have no interest in tablets and only a couple have smartphone's .

    The only people i see with multiple devices are younger households , i have tons of cousins (ages 60+ ) and not a single one has more than one computer , actually i asked a few of them the other day about computing and they say they go on the computer once per week (no joke) .

    Seems every one thinks computers are more of a hassle then they are worth , most youngsters and tech people love them though . The overwhelming majority of complaints about Win 8 and 8.1 was about the computer OS being changed into a multi device platform , that would lend me to believe most don't own multiple devices .
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