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  1.    01 Sep 2015 #51
    Join Date : Aug 2014
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    That telemetry data was what led to some of the design considerations of Windows 8, such as a lowered emphasis on the Desktop because the vast majority of activity from the vast majority of Windows users is something internet based, not file based.
    It led to the debacle that is the W8 series.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    There are bigger things to worry about privacy wise than a software company improving the way their product is used.
    So MS are going to sell improved versions of W7 & the W8 series?
    That will really help sales of W10.

    Fallacy of Relative Privation
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_privation
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  2.    01 Sep 2015 #52

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
    These kinds of debates all center around the definitions used of the terms. What to one person is "spying", to another person is "collecting telemetry data". As long as there is no agreed-upon definition, the debates continue on and the two opposing sides just dig in, defending their points of view.

    It's not oppositional points of view that gets threads closed; instead, it's folks resorting the name-calling and insulting conduct.

    Yup , no need to name call and insult , it's perfectly healthy and acceptable behavior to think your opposition are as "dumb as dumb gets" , just don't post it for everyone to see thats all .
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  3.    01 Sep 2015 #53
    Join Date : Oct 2014
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    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit

    Here is a simple question. I am not arguing which side is right or wrong. If Microsoft can download something to block software. How does Microsoft know your using pirated software from a 3rd party in the first place (For the record I don't)? I see this as a dangerous precedence if they can block software like that, whats to stop then from blocking legit software like firefox, google chrome, opera, palemoon, waterfox, etc..?

    On a side issue,

    There is another problem. At first Microsoft claimed all your software that you have installed on 8.1 or 7 would work on windows 10. That didn't last long. There is a lot of software that can't run on 10. There is another thread on here that list what can run on 10.
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  4.    01 Sep 2015 #54
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    A Finnish expat in Germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgage View Post
    I'll echo Bunny J and say - go with Linux.
    Had to do some work with Terminal in CentOS Linux. I have never installed Firefox by myself, I only have had it if a Linux distro installs it by default. I don't normally use my Linux virtual machines for net surfing but now decided to check the forums using Firefox which I don't like , and noticed this:

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    Made me laugh so that my stomach hurts. Funny that nobody is complaining about that
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  5.    01 Sep 2015 #55
    Join Date : Jan 2014
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    It led to the debacle that is the W8 series.


    So MS are going to sell improved versions of W7 & the W8 series?
    That will really help sales of W10.

    Fallacy of Relative Privation
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_privation
    And that debacle lead into Windows 10, Windows 8.1 with a configurable Start Screen.

    No. What do you think Windows 10 is? It's 7 and 8.1 mixed together. Get the telemetry data from those users, take back and analyze it to further refine the UI/UX of 10.
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  6.    01 Sep 2015 #56
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    Meanwhile, google's policy is the "get to the line of creepy and not cross it."

    Eric Schmidt: Google's Policy Is To - Business Insider

    Google Crossed The Creepy Line - Business Insider

    What never ceases to amaze me is how easily Microsoft can get flack for seemingly harmless data collection whereas google over here is constantly mining your personal and taking steps to break privacy, yet no one bats an eye.
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  7.    01 Sep 2015 #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Had to do some work with Terminal in CentOS Linux. I have never installed Firefox by myself, I only have had it if a Linux distro installs it by default. I don't normally use my Linux virtual machines for net surfing but now decided to check the forums using Firefox which I don't like , and noticed this:
    Click image for larger version. 

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Views:	9 
Size:	239.0 KB 
ID:	35150

    Made me laugh so that my stomach hurts. Funny that nobody is complaining about that
    Well, they tell you right then and there what they're doing, and give you the chance right up front to just turn it off - and then it's off and stays off. There's a difference. It's not OS-wide, and it's not ambiguous. You try to turn off various 'telemetry' options in Windows, and it seems to keep sending stuff to MS. And retro-fitting 7 and 8.1 to do the same thing is a bit dodgy, too. No one really knows what MS is doing with our 'telemetry' - I think that's the problem folks are having.

    Google, on the other hand, is quite worrisome to me. And plenty of people have raised issues about it, all over the world.
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  8.    01 Sep 2015 #58
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    W 7 desktop Home Premium 64 - OS

    If Google only collects marketing info, why has the government been making them change some things, like the agreements we have to sign. The government made them rewrite it so everyone can understand it. Why did it cost Google big bucks in Canada for the info they got from the Canadian Pharmacies and misused.

    I will always have a Windows PC because I play games and I can't do that on a Mac. I am not an MS hater, I just got the strange idea that the computer is mine, I paid $900 + for it and no one has the right to come in and take info. I can take care of myself and my computer, I don't need big brother to do that. I like to read in the MS "ask" section, but can't post in there because I need an MS account which includes my phone number, 2 emails and of course my name. Then after I am in a pop up eventually comes up with wanting to secure my account with more info. I couldn't cancel the messed up accounts so I changed my email addresses. Then I just blocked what I could regarding MS and forgot it.
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  9.    01 Sep 2015 #59
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    trying to install win10

    I use the vista printer drivers on my win7 x64 installation.

    Easy, just use device manager,rt click the printer>select update driver>browse my computer > browse to vista\system32\driverstore\filerepository and it should pick them .

    If you don't have vista installed, you can mount the iso and browse to the mounted drive.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    This works both ways. When I went to Win 7 from Vista, my AIO Printer would not work and the company would not update their drivers.
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  10.    01 Sep 2015 #60
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    Windows 7 x64 HP

    Deleted all these updates, hid them and cleanned the updates using disk cleanup. Microsoft. That's super shady! Even older systems! Hopefully there isn't an other articles that discovers that these updates stay even if you uninstall them. If I find out, I'll be wiping Windows and start fresh WITHOUT installing these (optional) updates.

    FFS.
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