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HippsieGypsie said:

“Forgive our Windows 8” for those that wanted to boot to desktop as option in 8.1 and leaving out the Start Menu in 8.1 maybe, but why anyone would want either is beyond me. Old tech really. Cumbersome and inefficient. Kind of like a little security blanket until ready for the full size bed blanket of the Start Screen. Looks like you’ll get to keep your desktop with more of them and your little Start Menu too. The only complaint I agreed with was the lack of multi windowing of Store apps. Although snapping is a good idea, it would not meet all scenarios, especially on a tower PC.

Not technically advanced enough to know if that’s the only way they can window the Store apps or if this is a lure to get more people to try and use Store apps. My complaint is that I’m forced to use the desktop to do so, but if I continue to use the auto hide for the Taskbar as I do now, it won’t seem like I’m on the desktop at all.

I personally didn't even look at the Store, let alone run any of the "Apps". I know what I need to do on a computer and I know which programs do what I need. I've never heard about any of those programs to have been replaced by a Store app. And I never run anything full screen - makes no sense to me, since I use a real monitor, not a tiny tablet. So, for me, the faster I could get rid of all the Metro stuff, the better.

Now, Start menu is not essential, but certainly better that the Start screen. I don't see why should I not see anything on my screen just to choose another program to run. I don't see anything "efficient" about that.

Just to let you know, I always do a little research on members I don’t know so as to attempt to get insight of their use of a computer. Via one of your posts on 9F here you are either a university student or teacher. (http://www.nineforums.com/windows-9-...tml#post148408) Some, such as yourself, remain somewhat anonymous, so therefore difficult to get to know. However, I can see you're not a fan of the new supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Modern system.

unifex said:

I personally didn't even look at the Store, let alone run any of the "Apps". I know what I need to do on a computer and I know which programs do what I need. I've never heard about any of those programs to have been replaced by a Store app.

Viewing your last post on 8F (31 Oct 2013: Microsoft Brings Full-Screen Ads in Windows 8.1) that was around the release of 8.1. I'm wondering if you upgraded to it which addressed a lot of the issues for "Desktoppers". If not, perhaps you couldn't reach the conclusion as this 8F member explains: Microsoft on Windows 8 Haters: We Could See This Coming - Page 2

Perhaps programs you use have not been ported over to the Modern, but a lot more are being so. One big one that's heavily rumored to is Office. OneNote, a sister app has been. All the built-in apps listed at the bottom of this page (Apps for Windows - Microsoft Windows) work great in conjunction of one another. Most users have an email program, calendar, contacts, music, maps, and the like, which all work just as well and are actually more efficient to use if one takes a little time to learn them.

And then how would you know how inefficient they are if you've never used them? Did "they say” they weren’t?

And I never run anything full screen - makes no sense to me, since I use a real monitor, not a tiny tablet. So, for me, the faster I could get rid of all the Metro stuff, the better.

One doesn't need to run anything in full screen. Here's a Store app snapped next to a desktop app.

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Depending on the size of the screen, one can snap as many as four apps. Snap Views of Apps - How to Use

As I tried to explain in my previous post that the lack of multi windowing of Store apps is absolutely essential. Looks like they have that worked out.

Now, Start menu is not essential, but certainly better that the Start screen.

Well, for starters: http://www.eightforums.com/general-s...erses-7-a.html

I don't see why should I not see anything on my screen just to choose another program to run. I don't see anything "efficient" about that.

I'm assuming you didn't want to place "not" in your statement so I took the privilege to strike that through.

IMO It's certainly a lot more efficient than digging down into the Start Menu and while there one can glance at important personal data via live tiles. We have been living in the information age for quite some time. For me sometimes it relieves the monotony of something I'm doing.

HippsieGypsie said:

Just to let you know, I always do a little research on members I don’t know ....

Well, thanks for taking the time to respond to my post !

But I'm afraid, you misunderstood me. Or perhaps I was not very clear. My main point was not that I simply want to stick with the old. My point is, the new should bring something to me. Ultimately, I don't care what the UI is. But I don't appreciate the change for the sake of the change.

We were working on desktops for years and years. And it works OK. Now comes the new interface. In order to start using it, I need to spend the time and effort to learn it and get used to it. The question is: why should I do that? Does it bring any new functionality or any other advantage? At this point, I have not seen or read anything that should point in this direction. I have not seen anyone *working* in that interface either and I see a lot of colleagues working with computers.

You have not stated anything like that either. You said that "Most users have an email program, calendar, contacts, music, maps, and the like, which all work just as well and are actually more efficient ..." But these things are not really *work*, they are "infotainment", if I can borrow a term from my car manual. Same goes for the live tiles. They blink some information, but it's not work, it's distraction. That's why I have not seen anyone attending a conference for example, who would be looking at them: that would be distracting not only to them, but to people who sit nearby.

If you are using your PC for "infotainment" - that is, browsing the web, listening to music, looking at photos - then perhaps this new interface is right for you. All I'm saying is that for real work it does not seem to bring any advantage, while there are some annoyances and distractions. Hence - why bother with it on a work computer?

Is there any specific reason why you have installed, and are running, Windows 8/8.1?
In your own post,you are perfectly happy with the old technology and have not the time or inclination to learn how to use the new interface. You obviously mean the so-called Metro/Modern?. That can easily be bypassed and, to all intents and purposes, you are back in your more familiar Windows 7 environment, but with a little better performance.
Hopefully, you did not lay out any cash to purchase Windows 8.