Windows 11 available on October 5

Pulcinella · 09 Oct 2021

@Bree, @HRPuffnstuff,

Thanks.

Try3 · 09 Oct 2021

quandary said:

Look for simple instructions on the web to enable Gpedit in Win Home.

Those simple instructions resulted in a gpedit that only functioned as a viewer, without the ability to change Windows' settings, according to posters who tried it.
Group Policy Editor on Home is just a viewer [Brink #3] - TenForums

Denis

CountMike · 10 Oct 2021

Pulcinella said:

Would installing a new motherboard solve the missing requirements to update to W11?
My motherboard does not support change from LEGACY to UEFY, has no TPM. Unable to change to secure boot too.
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Onboard TPM is a CPU function in newest processors but BIOS has to recognize and enable it.

RFS · 10 Oct 2021

Pulcinella said:

Would installing a new motherboard solve the missing requirements to update to W11?
My motherboard does not support change from LEGACY to UEFY, has no TPM. Unable to change to secure boot too.
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You do not need a new MB. Your processor is 8th generation Intel and is supported, so therefore the MB you currently have will also support Secure Boot and will also have the TPM 2.0 requirement provided by firmware. However you do need to enable this in the BIOS. You also need to convert to using the UEFI BIOS which may require converting your boot volume from MBR to GPT.

UEFI BIOS has been provided on all MBs since way before yours was made. Just for reference, my wife's 7-year old non-compliant PC has Secure Boot enabled via UEFI BIOS. It didn't have TPM 2.0 in the firmware but does have a TPM slot on the MB. Now that TPM card prices are back to normal I bought one and installed it. I got all of this enabled on W10, including turning on Core Isolation (virtualisation) and all worked OK. So then I installed W11 and all is fine.

As far as updates are concerned, I don't think CUs will be a problem, but feature updates might be. For example, 22H2 might force on Core Isolation.

cereberus · 10 Oct 2021

Bree said:

He's just guessing. Microsoft aren't saying definitively one way or the other, just that you may not get updates. None of us with 11 on unsupported hardware will know for sure until MS start issuing the routine 'Patch Tuesday' CUs for 11.

I think MS are just saying that so they do not get criticised if some people get issues including updates, or updates fail to install. I would be surprised if people did not get updates but as you say, we will not know for sure until some updates come out.

Barman58 · 10 Oct 2021

The fact is that you can always obtain the updates from Microsoft manually, they do not (AFIK) check eligibility for the updates.

Microsoft has stated that support will not be provided if you install on a non compliant system and have issues. This does sound like a legal statement - A get out Clause.
People may well be fine running Win 11 on a non compliant system, but they will be on their own if it goes wrong, ( or relient on the good folks here to help them out)

mart1981 · 10 Oct 2021

Barman58 said:

.....( or relient on the good folks here to help them out)

Think that's always been the case

Pulcinella · 10 Oct 2021

CountMike said:

Onboard TPM is a CPU function in newest processors but BIOS has to recognize and enable it.

@CountMike, @RFS, thanks fellows.

BTW my motherboard does not have the TPM chip installed. We are still in lockdown here in Melbourne, we maybe let loose by the end of October, beginning of November, till then I can't take the PC to the shop for upgrade. I did check online but I could not find a suitable TPM vendor here in OZ. All out of stock.
A new W10 installation will solve the Legacy to UEFI change issue.

RFS · 10 Oct 2021

Pulcinella said:

@CountMike, @RFS, thanks fellows.

BTW my motherboard does not have the TPM chip installed. We are still in lockdown here in Melbourne, we maybe let loose by the end of October, beginning of November, till then I can't take the PC to the shop for upgrade. I did check online but I could not find a suitable TPM vendor here in OZ. All out of stock.
A new W10 installation will solve the Legacy to UEFI change issue.

TPM function is provided by the firmware if your processor is 8th gen so you just need to enable it. Look for a function called PTT in the BIOS. What's your motherboard model number?

Bree · 10 Oct 2021

HRPuffnstuff said:

Ah but they have already specified the requirements and TPM 2.0 is one of them.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wind...specifications

Those are the minimum specs required for a PC to be supported for Windows 11. Microsoft have elsewhere published their own instructions on how to bypass their own checks and install on unsupported devices.

Microsoft said:

Microsoft recommends against installing Windows 11 on a device that does not meet the Windows 11 minimum system requirements. If you choose to install Windows 11 on a device that does not meet these requirements, and you acknowledge and understand the risks, you can create the following registry key values and bypass the check for TPM 2.0 (at least TPM 1.2 is required) and the CPU family and model....

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...b-2ce77ac7c70e

And it's their 'acknowledge and understand the risks' link where you'll find their 'maybe/maybe not' statement on updates.

Microsoft said:

Devices that do not meet these system requirements will no longer be guaranteed to receive updates, including but not limited to security updates.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...9-ef0a331518f1