Windows 11 available on October 5

22000.194 is the official release version. Once I get my laptop all squared away and get everything I need for my desktop I'm going to clean install it too.

BunnyJ said:

How is better security a bad thing??

Hi there

quite simply -- too much security makes people try and get round it. An obvious example is in those cases where people can't allocate their own passwords (some sites generate passwords) or the rules are so complex that they have to write them down and leave "post it notes" all over the place.

Security must be robust but also usable. Getting the right balance is quite a tricky problem. It's easy to enforce strict security in say places like the CIA (although even there leaks are not totally unknown) but on HOME users with typical non tech users - not an easy thing to do -- which is why the best security runs invisibly in the background without people even knowing it's there.

Cheers
jimbo

" Security must be robust but also usable."............right indeed , when (?) will M$ discover this .........??

RingTailCoon said:

But here's the question. What if silly me tries to install Windows 11 (update). Do I really get after that really Z E R O updates after that? What will happen with my computer AFTER I update to Windows 11? Don't I get really Z E R O updates via Patch Tuesday? Or do I only get the really important ones after I updated it?

Hi there

I think nobody has an answer to this -- probably even the developers at Ms don't know.

It's still easy to install W11 on apparently non conforming hardware to a limited extent - on real hardware -- and fairly simple on a VM where you can emulate all sorts of devices (including TPM, sec boot, graphics, and even the CPU topography) .

I've got W11 build.194 running perfectly in a VM on an old MBR 2014 Machine with Intel Celeron 2 core processor, no TPM , MBR only BIOS . The VM has sec boot, emulated TPM etc and has been getting what few updates there have been for build .194.

I'd suggest - especially for those that only have 1 machine and want to run W11 - is Back up your W10 system (you should do that as a matter of course anyway) - then install (From new) W11 via ISO created via UUPDUMP or direct download -- don't use the MCT as this will validate hardware before creating and it might fail -- -- that way you won't fail on validation checks.

Now update any missing drivers by going down the device manager list and update using your W10 system - go to windows->system32->DriverStore and ensure subfolders clicked. If you only have a single machine and have wiped the old W10 disk install macrium and mount the image you made (I did say take a backup first). Then you can point to the same directory to install missing drivers.

Now install any applications you want - and see if you get any updates. If not - just revert back to previous system.

Cheers
jimbo

Try3 said:

The download page
Download Windows 11
contains this warning about no updates for below-spec computers so they do seem to mean it.
But it's currently a moot point because the earlier workarounds to allow installation on a below-spec computer do not work.

Denis

Hi there
Oh dear !!! not 100% true.

VM's work perfectly whether or not you have MBR or GPT BIOS, sec boot or not.

You though will need TPM hardware at some point if you install on "Real machine" -- not sure yet if sec boot is being enforced. The CPU and graphics specs currently aren't or seem not to be enforced on CLEAN installs- so who knows how long that will last.

The way to avoid initial enforcement these days is to install directly from an ISO - clean install as upgrade seems to check.

Another possible way to avoid having to install clean and be able to upgrade is after upgrading a VM to required release of W11 do a V2P (Virtual to Physical) conversion -- it's a bit fiddly and somewhat time consuming but it should work -- but your hardware will have to have TPM and sec boot probably -- even if currently build .194 doesn't seem to use the TPM.

HYPER-V, VMWare and KVM/QEMU Virtual machine software allows the use of "Emulated TPM's" -- HYPER-V and VMWare for those on Windows have the Ms emulator -- specify in the VM's config while those using KVM/QEMU have the IBM emulated one (install swtpm and its library).

If you don't have a TPM just stick to running in a Virtual Machine -- these can be very efficient these days -- even for some gaming.

Cheers
jimbo