Windows 11 available on October 5

Hello @mart1981,

mart1981 said:

Looks like MS are pushing folks to Edge browser and the Store.

There are obviously ways around that for Win 10, and I am sure that the same will apply for Win 11 [ I do NOT use either ].

mart1981 said:

Also maybe a sop to hardware manufacturers although I don't expect we're all going to be rushing out with our hard earned $$'s simply to upgrade perfectly good systems running 10.

Apparently though it's all for our own good - LOL

I totally agree. I still can NOT understand why people think there is an urgency to upgrade to Win 11. Win 10 is supported until the 14-Oct-2025.

I have used Win 11 since a week after it was leaked. In my opinion, it is just a tarted up version of Win 10, although that could all change when it is officially released on the 05-Oct-2021.

My systems are customised to my liking and structure, and there is NOTHING wrong with them. Therefore, I will certainly NOT be rushing out and buying a new PC any time in the near future.

Mikey89 said:

Still the fact remains that the requirement jump is without logic when all we're getting really is just a new skin or fresh coat of paint.

4GB for the OS alone even 64-bit is still a bit resource hogging in my opinion.

And Ryzen 3 as minimum ? Another BS requirement in my opinion.

Really idiotic to fiece people to upgrade when they don't actually need to.

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Like i'd actually pay 200$ for the damn thing when i can find keys for 20$ or less. LOL

You are wrong on many points.
It's much deeper than "Skin and fresh coat of paint"
4GB "Just for OS" is not true either, at true idle with no 3rd party SW running it uses barely 2.1GB of RAM out of my 16GB. versions for small devices may use even less.
It's also not "Ryzen3" limit, Ryzen3 refers to number of cores, not generation. Ryzen generation is refereed by it's core designation. Zen(1) first gen,only one excluded, Zen+, Zen2 and Zen3 are all cleared because of added security, not performance.
Will not be "Forced" to upgrade, at least not for next 4-5 years for expected life of W10. There are millions of PCs with W7 and even XP still happily running.
Those cheap licenses are not completely legal, just tolerated by MS, if MS was really bad, they would have stomped on that practice long time ago. Upgrade to W11 is free so there's nothing to pay if you already have compatible(or not) hardware and OS. W10 can still be upgraded to from W7 and all chances are W11 too although HW that came with such machines may be not supported. @mart1981
Edge and Store APPs are not pushed any more than on previous windows, any half decent browser can take over without any problems.

Mikey89 said:

Still the fact remains that the requirement jump is without logic when all we're getting really is just a new skin or fresh coat of paint.
4GB for the OS alone even 64-bit is still a bit resource hogging in my opinion.

Have you actually tried running any version of 64-bit Windows in 2GB of RAM? I have, and I can report that it feels like trying to swim in treacle. IMHO 4GB is the minimum practical limit for 64-bit Windows 10, the official minimum of 2GB was overly optimistic on Microsoft's part, it should have been 4GB from the start.

/rant on

Jesus-on-a-tricycle! What kinda people work there on Micro$$$OFT? I'm assure you, I'm sticking with 10 and after that it's REALLY picking out a Linux. Like we Dutch say: wat een stelletje randmongolen! (and that's a bad thing!)

/rant off!

jimbo45 said:

Hi there
An efficient OS should really be able to use minimum amounts of RAM for its "Resident Kernel" and dynamically allocate whatever it needs for running whatever tasks its required to do -- there's no way an efficient OS even with a Windows type GUI should require 4GB RAM as a minimum just to operate -- for example even W2K22 Server with full desktop experience runs quite sweetly with 2GB RAM.

If W10 / W11 are requiring 4GB RAM as minimum just to boot up and start then IMO there's something wrong in the way this OS has been written.

Typical Linux systems with KDE or GNOME (desktops just as full featured GUI's as Windows) can run on 1GB RAM without an issue. I know Windows has to support a lot more applications etc --OK but the "Core OS should be able to start and if applications need more RAM then just grab it if it's available or then inform the User that for the tasks they need to do then more RAM is required.

Why somebody just running web browsing, email, bit of e-commerce and Office type apps should have to require an 8GB system just to operate is BONKERS. -- OK Game playing. video editing etc OK but that's another issue entirely.

Cheers
jimbo

It is not using 4GB of RAM at idle, 4GB is absolute minimum for somewhat comfortable work without accessing virtual memory often. Heck, even my 10 year old Lumia 640 has that much.