Windows 11 available on October 5

Hi folks

For those who want to run W11 on "Insufficient hardware" it's do-able in a VM - at least on HYPER-V for Windows Hosts and on LINUX Hosts - even on old MBR BIOS machines with no UEFI / sec boot and no TPM. I'm not sure if VMWARE WKS / PLAYER or VIRTUAL BOX can do this but for WINDOWS use HYPER-V and for LINUX use KVM/QEMU for creating the Virtual machines. VMWare AFAIK can create a VM with UEFI / SEC boot but I'm not sure if it can recognize an "Emulated TPM" whether on LINUX or WINDOWS. As the textbooks used to say "That's left as an exercise for our readers".!!

OK for extreme gamers this isn't probably a solution but for most people VM's can probably do most of what they need on Windows quite decently these days especially if both the HOST OS and the VM Virtual disk(s) are stored on SSD's (or even better NVME devices).

1) obtain and create the ISO from UUPDUMP -- Linux users can create the ISO quicker by installing the aria2 package and running the linux script -- it generates the ISO quicker (by far) but any "added cumulative updates" will have to be done in Windows itself by WU. For the latest pre-release version of W11 there aren't (as yet) any cumulative updates so the standard iso is fine.

2) create your VM using UEFI and SECURE BOOT in the VM's config and also add TPM. For Linux HOST systems install the IBM TPM emulator swtpm -- doesn't need any HOST setup. the VM will recognize it automatically, and to enable UEFI and secure boot download and install the Virtual BIOS OVMF. On HYPER-V TPM can also be emulated as the VM can also be created with UEFI / SEC BOOT.

2) Now have fun !and enjoy !!!




Cheers
jimbo

jimbo45 said:

Hi folks

For those who want to run W11 on "Insufficient hardware" it's do-able in a VM - at least on HYPER-V for Windows Hosts and on LINUX Hosts - even on old MBR BIOS machines with no UEFI / sec boot and no TPM. I'm not sure if VMWARE WKS / PLAYER or VIRTUAL BOX can do this but for WINDOWS use HYPER-V and for LINUX use KVM/QEMU for creating the Virtual machines. VMWare AFAIK can create a VM with UEFI / SEC boot but I'm not sure if it can recognize an "Emulated TPM" whether on LINUX or WINDOWS. As the textbooks used to say "That's left as an exercise for our readers".!!
jimbo

VMware Workstation Pro does have an option to add TPM.
VMware Workstation Player does not have the option to add TPM.

Hyper V requires Windows 10 Professional as the host O/S.
Hyper V does have an option to add TPM.

Windows 11 requires the VM to have a minimum of 4GB RAM.

MisterEd said:

VMware Workstation Pro does have an option to add TPM.
VMware Workstation Player does not have the option to add TPM.

Hyper V requires Windows 10 Professional as the host O/S.
Hyper V does have an option to add TPM.

Windows 11 requires the VM to have a minimum of 4GB RAM.

Thanks for those answers !!!

However for VMWARE player it might be possible to edit the VM config file (the.vmx file) and add the TPM hardware line (copy what the VMWARE WKS config file has). Same as boot into firmware -- there's not an option in player but you can add a line to the.vmx file so it does boot once into firmware (you need to edit again next time you want to boot into firmware)

Add / change this line in the .vmx file

bios.forceSetupOnce = "TRUE"

After boot the VMware system will set it back to "FALSE" again so you need to edit the file each time you want to get into the Virtual BIOS.

Cheers
jimbo

MisterEd said:

VMware Workstation Pro does have an option to add TPM.
VMware Workstation Player does not have the option to add TPM.

Hyper V requires Windows 10 Professional as the host O/S.
Hyper V does have an option to add TPM.

Windows 11 requires the VM to have a minimum of 4GB RAM.

I'm running Hyper-V on Windows Home version. Many posts here on how to enable it.
Run this as a bat file using the elevated command prompt:

pushd "%~dp0"

dir /b %SystemRoot%\servicing\Packages\*Hyper-V*.mum >c:\users\public\hyper-v.txt

for /f %%i in ('findstr /i . c:\users\public\hyper-v.txt 2^>nul') do dism /online /norestart /add-package:"%SystemRoot%\servicing\Packages\%%i"

del c:\users\public\hyper-v.txt

Dism /online /enable-feature /featurename:Microsoft-Hyper-V -All /LimitAccess /ALLpause

MorganBilbo said:

I did run and TPM 2.0 is NOT THERE. I've repeatedly said so. What else can I do? It does go on to say I need to go into BIOS. I'm not about to mess with something I don't know nothing about. So, how can I "go into BIOS"? That sounds GURU talk to me. Same as "go into your register". Yes, a lot of people do it or can do it. But I can't. I have never. And as a typical normal human being - why do I need to? Why does MS make this so hard for the normal customer or Windows 10 user? Like I said. W 8.1 to W 10 was a simple upgrade.

Running Win11 on a 'non-compliant' 3 year old Dell laptop - not my main machine. The i7 7 series CPU does not meet MS recommendations although Dell by all accounts are testing other 7 series CPU's to ascertain if they are Win11 compliant.

a) Funny how Dell have omitted my CPU from testing although they do have an updated model which has a UHD screen rather than a QHD. Is it cynical me that they want $2,000 for the 'new' model and have conveniently left my machine out even though it's running Win11 fine - at the moment.

b) Overall, there's really nothing new for me in Win11 so I'm really left underwhelmed and no, I'm not going to break the bank to get rounded corners and a shuffling of bits here and there. If/when I get booted out then I'll just do a fresh install of Win10.

There are ways of overcoming the TPM issue plus no doubt other restrictions. Are MS being pressured by the hardware manufacturers - frankly I have no idea. But whether it's worth all the time and effort to upgrade a non-compliant PC is a personal issue.

I'll probably wait until 2025 when EOL support ceases and then maybe longer.

I believe I have I7-6700k which sounds like I won't be getting windows 11. Probably glad it's not going to get pushed down the pipe if that turns out to be correct. No doubt it will break some stuff and cause stress can do without. Much better to start with it in my next pc (which prob won't be for a while as current one although about 5 years old is still plenty fast).

Bree said:

When W11 was first announced my newest machine was one with an i7-6600U, so basically none of my machines qualified.

Although all my machines are qualified, I plan to hold off except on my Insider DEV system until I see obvious evidence that at least some Windows things I rely on are better in 11 than they are in 10. Unless Microsoft goes back on their word (and we all know they would never even consider doing that ), I'll have 4 years to look.

jimbo45 said:

Hi folks

For those who want to run W11 on "Insufficient hardware" it's do-able in a VM - at least on HYPER-V for Windows Hosts and on LINUX Hosts - even on old MBR BIOS machines with no UEFI / sec boot and no TPM. I'm not sure if VMWARE WKS / PLAYER or VIRTUAL BOX can do this but for WINDOWS use HYPER-V and for LINUX use KVM/QEMU for creating the Virtual machines. VMWare AFAIK can create a VM with UEFI / SEC boot but I'm not sure if it can recognize an "Emulated TPM" whether on LINUX or WINDOWS. As the textbooks used to say "That's left as an exercise for our readers".!!

OK for extreme gamers this isn't probably a solution but for most people VM's can probably do most of what they need on Windows quite decently these days especially if both the HOST OS and the VM Virtual disk(s) are stored on SSD's (or even better NVME devices).

1) obtain and create the ISO from UUPDUMP -- Linux users can create the ISO quicker by installing the aria2 package and running the linux script -- it generates the ISO quicker (by far) but any "added cumulative updates" will have to be done in Windows itself by WU. For the latest pre-release version of W11 there aren't (as yet) any cumulative updates so the standard iso is fine.

2) create your VM using UEFI and SECURE BOOT in the VM's config and also add TPM. For Linux HOST systems install the IBM TPM emulator swtpm -- doesn't need any HOST setup. the VM will recognize it automatically, and to enable UEFI and secure boot download and install the Virtual BIOS OVMF. On HYPER-V TPM can also be emulated as the VM can also be created with UEFI / SEC BOOT.

2) Now have fun !and enjoy !!!




Cheers
jimbo

I'm running Win 11 on VirtualBox without setting it up for TPM or even UEFI. I installed with the Windows 11 ISO

Having converted my Disks to GPT, enabled Secure Boot and TPM to be complient with requirements, i'm now completely meh about the whole thing. I've seen the videos, read about the features, and i'm really not interested. My Windows 10 install is working perfectly and i've long since set everything up the way i want it. I have no issues with this install, and i know that won't be the case after updating. It will be a lot of work and there will be a lot of problems.

I don't want problems.

So, i'll delay updating for as long as i can. I'm happy to let others Beta test the new thing while Microsoft iron out the bugs.