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  1. CountMike's Avatar
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       #170

    eLPuSHeR said:
    You need an SSD (for fast swapping) and x86 version to be comfortable with 2GB RAM. It could be okay for some weird 2GB UEFI systems out there (that require x64).
    Maybe some very low end and old device that has no business running any Windows. I haven't seen any PC that bad for last 15 years, it would drive me nuts waiting for it to do anything.
    Just couple of month ago I gave my old FX 6350 PC with 8GB or DDR3 to a friends 10 year old kid and he returned an Phenom 965BE system with 4GB of RAM I gave him few years ago, as "Too slow"
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       #171

    CountMike said:
    It is not using 4GB of RAM at idle, 4GB is absolute minimum for somewhat comfortable work without accessing virtual memory often. Heck, even my 10 year old Lumia 640 has that much.
    Hi there
    Of course if cheap RAM is available --use it --my point was that the base OS and Kernel shouldn't require a load of RAM just to install and boot up -- once you start running a load of applications and Virtual machines especially concurrently and start using extreme graphics for gaming / Virtual Reality etc then that's another issue entirely !!!!

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  3. CountMike's Avatar
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       #172

    jimbo45 said:
    Hi there
    Of course if cheap RAM is available --use it --my point was that the base OS and Kernel shouldn't require a load of RAM just to install and boot up -- once you start running a load of applications and Virtual machines especially concurrently and start using extreme graphics for gaming / Virtual Reality etc then that's another issue entirely !!!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
    W10 good performance and snappiness is due to memory handling and usage. New things were memory compression and preloading of applications and keeping them in RAM where it's much faster than if it stayed on disk. Swapping to disk is also done during CPU's idle cycles (a lot of those). Like old saying goes "Free Ram is wasted RAM"
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       #173

    CountMike said:
    W10 good performance and snappiness is due to memory handling and usage. New things were memory compression and preloading of applications and keeping them in RAM where it's much faster than if it stayed on disk. Swapping to disk is also done during CPU's idle cycles (a lot of those). Like old saying goes "Free Ram is wasted RAM"
    Agreed -- however the original point was that the OS should be capable of running in minimum RAM even if the user experience is not the best since presumably installations can be moved to better machines afterwards. An OS of course should use efficiently the resources that's available to it and not require a load of quite exacting standards. Loads of people "Sysprep" stuff on a fairly modest machine which they then move to a "Beast" later.

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  5. CountMike's Avatar
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       #174

    jimbo45 said:
    Agreed -- however the original point was that the OS should be capable of running in minimum RAM even if the user experience is not the best since presumably installations can be moved to better machines afterwards. An OS of course should use efficiently the resources that's available to it and not require a load of quite exacting standards. Loads of people "Sysprep" stuff on a fairly modest machine which they then move to a "Beast" later.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Well, about 2GB of RAM is some minimum these days. 4GB requirement is to be able to do something else except empty OS. It's sloppy programing with new-ish SW that may present problem.
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  6. Posts : 78
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       #175

    It would be interesting to know what the intentions of MS are after Oct 5. Are they going to boot out folks running incompatible rigs - mine fails on the CPU or will they allow them to continue. If so will CU still apply or is it going to be a fresh instal each month.

    My cynical side tells me that as Dell are actively testing some 7 series machines with 11 that they will be approved by MS but mine has 'conveniently' been left out of the testing. Funny that - could it be that Dell have released an updated model with UHD rather than QHD - I wonder. No that couldn't be the case that Dell want me to cough up some serious $$'s just for an improved screen.

    Anyway, looks as though MS towers have gone into silent mode. Maybe they don't know themselves yet of course.
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  7. CountMike's Avatar
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       #176

    mart1981 said:
    It would be interesting to know what the intentions of MS are after Oct 5. Are they going to boot out folks running incompatible rigs - mine fails on the CPU or will they allow them to continue. If so will CU still apply or is it going to be a fresh instal each month.

    My cynical side tells me that as Dell are actively testing some 7 series machines with 11 that they will be approved by MS but mine has 'conveniently' been left out of the testing. Funny that - could it be that Dell have released an updated model with UHD rather than QHD - I wonder. No that couldn't be the case that Dell want me to cough up some serious $$'s just for an improved screen.

    Anyway, looks as though MS towers have gone into silent mode. Maybe they don't know themselves yet of course.
    Yeah, they are most probably bot clear about final version yet, no RTM yet. It would be kinda foolish to cut off Dev and Beta versions on nearly compatible machines. That would preclude large number of testers (if they still care about it).
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  8. Bree's Avatar
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       #177

    jimbo45 said:
    --my point was that the base OS and Kernel shouldn't require a load of RAM just to install and boot up --

    It doesn't. My x64 21H2 uses less than 2GB at idle...

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    ...and it's hardly any more in Windows 11.

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  9. Posts : 107
    windows 10 x64 home / windows 11 home testing on external drive
       #178

    Windows 11 install script bypasses TPM, system requirements


    here you are guys :)

    A new script allows you to install Windows 11 on devices with incompatible hardware, such as missing TPM 2.0, incompatible CPUs, or the lack of Secure Boot. Even better, the script also works on virtual machines, allowing you to upgrade to the latest Windows Insider build.

    When Windows 11 was first announced, Microsoft released the operating system's new system requirements, which included a TPM 2.0 security processor, Secure Boot, newer CPUs, and at least 64 GB of hard drive space.

    As Microsoft realized that many people, especially those in the enterprise, would be testing Windows 11 preview builds on virtual machines, they exempted them from the system requirements.

    However, Microsoft is now requiring compatible hardware even on virtual machines and taking a firm stance on its system requirement, going as far as to say that people who install Windows 11 on incompatible hardware may not get security updates.

    For those willing to risk running Windows 11 on incompatible hardware, a script has been released that allows new installations and upgrades to bypass the operating system's system requirements.

    Script bypasses Windows 11 system requirements
    This new script was released as part of the extremely useful Universal MediaCreationTool wrapper, a batch file that allows you to create an ISO for any version of Windows 10, with Windows 11 support added last week.

    While the main script of this open-source project is the 'MediaCreationTool.bat' used to create Windows ISOs, it also includes a script named 'Skip_TPM_Check_on_Dynamic_Update.cmd,' which configures the device to bypass compatible hardware checks.

    When executed on a Windows 10 or Windows 11 device, the Skip_TPM_Check_on_Dynamic_Update.cmd script will perform a variety of tasks, including:

    Create the 'AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU' value under the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\MoSetup Registry key and set it to 1.
    Registers a WMI event subscription named 'Skip TPM Check on Dynamic Update' that deletes the 'C:\$WINDOWS.~BT\appraiserres.dll' file when the vdsldr.exe executable is launched during Windows 11 setup.
    It should be noted that the created WMI event subscription will remain in effect until you run the Skip_TPM_Check_on_Dynamic_Update.cmd script again, which will cause the event subscriptions to be deleted. You can do this after installing or upgrading Windows 11.


    Universal MediaCreationTool wrapper for all MCT Windows 10 versions from 1507 to 21H1 with business (Enterprise) edition support . GitHub
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  10. Posts : 358
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       #179

    CountMike said:
    You are wrong on many points.
    It's much deeper than "Skin and fresh coat of paint"
    4GB "Just for OS" is not true either, at true idle with no 3rd party SW running it uses barely 2.1GB of RAM out of my 16GB. versions for small devices may use even less.
    It's also not "Ryzen3" limit, Ryzen3 refers to number of cores, not generation. Ryzen generation is refereed by it's core designation. Zen(1) first gen,only one excluded, Zen+, Zen2 and Zen3 are all cleared because of added security, not performance.
    Will not be "Forced" to upgrade, at least not for next 4-5 years for expected life of W10. There are millions of PCs with W7 and even XP still happily running.
    Those cheap licenses are not completely legal, just tolerated by MS, if MS was really bad, they would have stomped on that practice long time ago. Upgrade to W11 is free so there's nothing to pay if you already have compatible(or not) hardware and OS. W10 can still be upgraded to from W7 and all chances are W11 too although HW that came with such machines may be not supported. @mart1981
    Edge and Store APPs are not pushed any more than on previous windows, any half decent browser can take over without any problems.
    Like if give 2 garbages what MS tolerates and what it doesn't.

    As long as there are licenses at normal price i'll be buying. Not paying 200 $ for an idiotic OS.

    The only REASON why i keeep using windows is cuz Linux and other OS aren't really great for gaming and they're not all supported.

    MS are lucky as hell that no real competitor has shown up with another OS in the past years. If that happened they'd be pissing themselves and selling they're crap OS for 50 $ or less not 200 $.
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