KB5005033 Windows 10 2004 19041.1165, 20H2 19042.1165, 21H1 19043.1165 Win Update

DJG · 24 Aug 2021

Motorfingers said:

I've just downloaded Paragon Reflect Home Trial. I'm waiting on Windows Recovery Drive to finish analyzing my system so that I can put on on H:, a clean 64 GB thumb drive that is waiting patiently. Will Paragon help with the process of rearranging my Recovery Partition?

I use the HD Manager Advanced software so no clue what that one does, though it sounds like a reduced feature version. The HD Mgr does have partition management features. I don't see a "Paragon Reflect Home" package in their products.

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fdegrove said:

Hi,
Like many people on this forum I've been using Macrium Reflect Free V7.xxx and recently bought a 4 license pack.
Not that I needed the little extras but just to support the company.
And... The free version is exactly that.
No idea what Paragon can and can't do, I know it exists but that's about it.
Macrium Reflect can do what you need to do, that much I'm certain of.
Cheers,

I'm happy you found something that works for you and like to promote it. No need to try something else. Like you, I wanted to let people know what worked really well for me. You should be happy for me

Cheers!

Bree · 24 Aug 2021

Motorfingers said:

The Macrium Reflect V8 Home Trial reverts to Free V7 if you don't buy and enter a new code....

No, it reverts to v8 Free.....

Macrium said:

Our 30-day trial of Reflect 8 Home is the ideal way to explore what we have to offer with absolutely no risk. If for whatever reason you decide it isn’t right for you, any backups you create during the trial will still be accessible as the software reverts to Reflect Free 8.

Macrium Software | Reflect Free Edition

I suspect that the home free versions are to build a user base of people that will recommend and use paid versions at work...

Possibly, many of us who have used Reflect Free for a few years have ended up buying Reflect Home (often at 50% discount in their Black Friday sales).

Motorfingers · 24 Aug 2021

Bree said:

No, it reverts to v8 Free.....

Macrium Software | Reflect Free Edition

Possibly, many of us who have used Reflect Free for a few years have ended up buying Reflect Home (often at 50% discount in their Black Friday sales).

Windows Recovery Drive is still creating the installation/recovery media on the thumb drive. Progress bar says its about 65% done. I'm going to leave the computer for the evening and let it complete. I have two meetings in the morning, but will see if the computer will boot to it tomorrow and install Macrium Reflect and see what it offers.

fg2001gf10F · 24 Aug 2021

Motorfingers said:

With a terabyte of data and a lot of different things installed, some of which have lengthy setup such as SSH access to webspace and such, I would rather try changing the size of my existing partitions before I do a clean installation. This avoids making a weeklong project out of the computer that I don't have time for, and I do need the computer every day. I can just copy the files over to my Linux machine and just give up web page editing, Acrobat Pro, and a few other things until my Windows machine is back. But please understand that I am not an IT lab, I have only one Windows computer that I use extensively every day, and that just going to the nuclear option is a major disruption in everything.

My plan is to try the partition resize first. If that bricks my machine, I do a full recovery with Acronis (done several times over the years, always easily and without problems). Then, If I absolutely must, I can do a clean installation.

I agree that the 529 MB is probably too small. I have found that DISM need much more space when you have a lot of data on your system drive, and speculate that this is the problem with this computer.

One thing I can do is free up about 2 TB at the end of the HD and make that my System Reserved partition. If you think that's a solution, tell me how to do that. I can probably shrink the data partition 2 TB with Disk Manager or diskpart.

If working with my current HD isn't a good option, I am willing to try moving the Windows partition to a different drive and doing a clean installation on my current C: drive, a new WD Black. I have another new HD in the machine, no power or SATA cable, that is too slow for my C: drive, but that I can use as a temporary host for my Windows partition.

If that is your only machine you use, I would not try risky experiments.
I don't understand how you ended up with the Recovery partition in front instead of after the Windows partition.

I try not to use third party utilities if I can avoid them, I just use the MS Windows Image Backup, I only use a 512GB SSD for the Windows system, all my data is on separate HDD's or SSDs, that makes it much easier to make Image Backups for the windows system and the installed program and apps, all the data in separate disks is backed up separately with incremental backups utilities.

kado897 · 25 Aug 2021

Motorfingers said:

The Macrium Reflect V8 Home Trial reverts to Free V7 if you don't buy and enter a new code, so I'm covered for Free V7. I haven't installed it yet, so I don't know what its limitations are. I suspect that the home free versions are to build a user base of people that will recommend and use paid versions at work. The Windows Recovery Drive utility seems to be using C: at 100% so I'll wait for it to finish before I install Macrium Reflect.

That's what they said originally, but it actually reverts to a free V8.

Motorfingers · 25 Aug 2021

kado897 said:

That's what they said originally, but it actually reverts to a free V8.

It's installed now, as a 30-day trial of V8, waiting for reboot. I'll try to reboot to thumb drive and bring up Windows RE to ensure that works, then reboot to C:.

I'll probably end up buying a license. If it does prove to replace Acronis, that will certainly happen.

I got started with Acronis after finding that Norton backup endlessly increased storage requirements, i.e. had no incremental rolling backup options, and doing a web search for backup options that used finite storage. Norton wanted you to rent cloud storage, which under their backup, would continue to increase indefinitely. AFAIK they never changed their cloud backup policies. In recent years, I found that Western Digital includes a free version of Acronis to help with problem-solving. But Acronis, like a lot of other software utilities, keeps growing capabilities and such. I'm watching for an upgrade to read email. See Jamie Zawinski's Law.

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fg2001gf10F said:

If that is your only machine you use, I would not try risky experiments.
I don't understand how you ended up with the Recovery partition in front instead of after the Windows partition.

I try not to use third party utilities if I can avoid them, I just use the MS Windows Image Backup, I only use a 512GB SSD for the Windows system, all my data is on separate HDD's or SSDs, that makes it much easier to make Image Backups for the windows system and the installed program and apps, all the data in separate disks is backed up separately with incremental backups utilities.

I installed Windows 10 on a new 2 TB HD. I just took all the defaults. I believe that I installed from a DVD ISO that I downloaded from Microsoft.

You expressed it well: this is my only Windows machine other than a very old low-end laptop that I keep for emergency road use, as when I must give a presentation somewhere. My insurance in all this is an Acronis restore, which requires that I trigger a backup and wait for it to complete just before I do something drastic to my system. Acronis does have some options when you do a full restore of the system drive, but the default is simply mirroring what you backed up, possibly with scaling if you back up to a larger HD than the original.

My next build will include a SSD for the system and a 2 TB HD for data, but doing that will require the nuclear option and a significant amount of cash. My existing computer is 7 years old, on its 2nd motherboard, 3rd power supply, 3rd or 4th system drive, etc. but with 8 cores at 4.3 GHz, I can't justify a new build, although I see a Ryzen 16-core or 24-core in my future, after my existing machine proves to be a problem with new software and the price is right. A 32-core Threadripper is too pricey, and I think it will stay that way. I'm not a gamer; I use my computer for number crunching occasionally, and paying twice the price to go from 24 to 32 cores doesn't compute.

CountMike · 25 Aug 2021

Motorfingers said:

It's installed now, as a 30-day trial of V8, waiting for reboot. I'll try to reboot to thumb drive and bring up Windows RE to ensure that works, then reboot to C:.

I'll probably end up buying a license. If it does prove to replace Acronis, that will certainly happen.

I got started with Acronis after finding that Norton backup endlessly increased storage requirements, i.e. had no incremental rolling backup options, and doing a web search for backup options that used finite storage. Norton wanted you to rent cloud storage, which under their backup, would continue to increase indefinitely. AFAIK they never changed their cloud backup policies. In recent years, I found that Western Digital includes a free version of Acronis to help with problem-solving. But Acronis, like a lot of other software utilities, keeps growing capabilities and such. I'm watching for an upgrade to read email. See Jamie Zawinski's Law.

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I installed Windows 10 on a new 2 TB HD. I just took all the defaults. I believe that I installed from a DVD ISO that I downloaded from Microsoft.

You expressed it well: this is my only Windows machine other than a very old low-end laptop that I keep for emergency road use, as when I must give a presentation somewhere. My insurance in all this is an Acronis restore, which requires that I trigger a backup and wait for it to complete just before I do something drastic to my system. Acronis does have some options when you do a full restore of the system drive, but the default is simply mirroring what you backed up, possibly with scaling if you back up to a larger HD than the original.

My next build will include a SSD for the system and a 2 TB HD for data, but doing that will require the nuclear option and a significant amount of cash. My existing computer is 7 years old, on its 2nd motherboard, 3rd power supply, 3rd or 4th system drive, etc. but with 8 cores at 4.3 GHz, I can't justify a new build, although I see a Ryzen 16-core or 24-core in my future, after my existing machine proves to be a problem with new software and the price is right. A 32-core Threadripper is too pricey, and I think it will stay that way. I'm not a gamer; I use my computer for number crunching occasionally, and paying twice the price to go from 24 to 32 cores doesn't compute.

Alternatively you could get a cheap SSD, even 120GB is enough for windows and few programs. That way you isolate OS from other data specially if you set Windows and other programs as well as downloads from windows to save to HDD.
Even cheapest SSDs are magnitude faster than any HDD thus speeding up boot and windows functions.
That would also simplify and make system backup faster and easier and choose which data to backup as opposed to large backups of whole disk.

Motorfingers · 25 Aug 2021

CountMike said:

Alternatively you could get a cheap SSD, even 120GB is enough for windows and few programs. That way you isolate OS from other data specially if you set Windows and other programs as well as downloads from windows to save to HDD.
Even cheapest SSDs are magnitude faster than any HDD thus speeding up boot and windows functions.
That would also simplify and make system backup faster and easier and choose which data to backup as opposed to large backups of whole disk.

I have a WD Black2 on my cheap laptop, which is actually a 125 GB SSD and a 1 TB HD, with Windows 10 on the SSD and the data and applications on the HD. WD instructions were to install Windows 10 on the SSD with the HD disabled, then enable the HD and change the Windows 10 options on where the %user% files are, new apps are to be installed, etc.

How do you modify an existing system to use a new SSD for the OS without a new OS installation?

CountMike · 25 Aug 2021

Motorfingers said:

I have a WD Black2 on my cheap laptop, which is actually a 125 GB SSD and a 1 TB HD, with Windows 10 on the SSD and the data and applications on the HD. WD instructions were to install Windows 10 on the SSD with the HD disabled, then enable the HD and change the Windows 10 options on where the %user% files are, new apps are to be installed, etc.

How do you modify an existing system to use a new SSD for the OS without a new OS installation?

Is your HDD partitioned ? If so you could just backup C: partition and eventual other partitions needed for booting and just restore just those to SSD.

Motorfingers · 25 Aug 2021

CountMike said:

Is your HDD partitioned ? If so you could just backup C: partition and eventual other partitions needed for booting and just restore just those to SSD.

I don't recall making data partitions on HD since I put a 5 MB HD on a TRS-80, with four 1.25 MB partitions.

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fdegrove said:

Hi,

It will only take an hour or so to do the actual work.
Do you mind downloading and installing the free version of Macrium Reflect's imaging software. (I gave up on Acronis a decade ago, lol)

Cheers,

I've got Macrium Reflect installed. The user interface looks similar to that of the Acronis backup page at first glance, but it is far more detailed. I didn't do much, but I did find that the 529 MB Recovery Partition has only 95.9 MB free. Also, a very old RAID drive seems to have a 129 MB unformatted partition on the first sector that I never knew about before.

The computer does boot to the thumb drive Recovery/Install media just fine. The top-level Windows RE screen has a few more options than the ones I've seen before. While revising boot options in the BIOS, I noticed that my system disk has two boot partitions, so, unless something disrupts it, I can probably boot to Windows RE right on my existing C: drive. That won't do if that is the partition that we're manipulating, though.

It hasn't come up before, but I have a 4 TB NAS RAID with 3.5 TB free that I can use for a new backup. It's mapped to Z: on the Windows computer. This might be a way to test/use the Macrium Reflect backup before we tackle moving the Recovery Partition.

I have two meetings this morning. It will be at least noon before I get back to the computer.

EDIT: Back from my meetings. Macrium Reflect does not see NAS, because it's a HD and partition oriented utility, and NAS represents only data streams over the network, not actual HDs. The Macrium Help explains this pretty well.