Microsoft Needs to Kill Windows 8 to Make Windows 10 a Hit, Says HP

FrozenCursor · 16 Nov 2015

Thanks, tomseys! I will follow up in one of the other threads with a particular concern that I have.

tomseys · 16 Nov 2015

You're welcome!

Leopard · 16 Nov 2015

Is HP and the other OEMs in denial ? Answer: yes ...More than a billion PCs are over three years old, and there's little reason to replace them | ZDNet As per my previous post (#59) in this thread , I think the W10 OEM cartel is doomed. Media coverage such as this questions why this cartel even exists. If OEMs are going to survive they will have to disassociate themselves from MS and offer new hardware as-is - new hardware should come with either no OS or a user choice OS pre-installed - no more OEM software EULAS. Stay out of the OS wars and sell PCs, MACs, tablets, smart phones, accessories and peripherals. OEMs also need to stop modifying driver sets and leave them open to manufacturer updates. IMO, that would increase sales and improve user satisfaction with their products and services.

Ztruker · 16 Nov 2015

I think it would have the opposite effect. Most people buy a PC and expect it to have an OS on it so they can plug it in, do a minimal setup and start using it. They really don't care what OS as long as they can use it and it's familiar to them. This pretty much means Windows.

Hardware with no OS is a techy thing, not a consumer want. Being able to choose which OS could be nice but again, most people know only Windows so alternatives like Linux would not fare well at all.

I do like the idea of disassociating the OS from the hardware but I don't see that as being economically feasible.

Samsung User · 16 Nov 2015

Atomic77 said:

HP is a good company my ENVY is a decent computer. as for windows 8.1 it probably won't be killed off but just like vista it may eventually be lost or compleatly forgotten. 10 is whats hot right now and I expect it will get even hotter.

I have the Envy 4500 series Printer one of the beat I have ever had.
No matter how much work you got just a click of the button and away it goes.
I like the way it prints the last page first, also they take care of my ink and before o have even run out more is delivered to my door.
The old empty cartridges taken away/
Works well with windows 10 on all our computers, tablets and smartphones

Atomic1977 · 16 Nov 2015

The model I have been following for much of my life is that if a computer is 5 years old or older its probably time to think about upgrading or getting a new one. the most a computer has lasted me is 10 years and I usally don't change anything in it. The only exception to the rule is my Hp Envy 700-414 witch before the end of its first year that I owned it I changed from 8.1 to windows 10.

Leopard · 17 Nov 2015

Ztruker said:

I think it would have the opposite effect. Most people buy a PC and expect it to have an OS on it so they can plug it in, do a minimal setup and start using it. They really don't care what OS as long as they can use it and it's familiar to them. This pretty much means Windows.Hardware with no OS is a techy thing, not a consumer want. Being able to choose which OS could be nice but again, most people know only Windows so alternatives like Linux would not fare well at all.I do like the idea of disassociating the OS from the hardware but I don't see that as being economically feasible.

I agree with you that plug and play (and Windows) is what the majority of buyers want, but I see no reason for an OEM license (which was really my point). I expect a lot of people believe that they do not pay for the OEM license on a new PC, but they do. Whatever the OEM gets Windows for from MS, they still mark it up to reflect install, testing and support costs. It may eventually come pretty close to the cost of a full retail license. The $100/yr subscription fee in the 2nd year of W10, ( if implemented) is the elephant in the room.

lx07 · 17 Nov 2015

Leopard said:

I expect a lot of people believe that they do not pay for the OEM license on a new PC, but they do. Whatever the OEM gets Windows for from MS, they still mark it up to reflect install, testing and support costs. It may eventually come pretty close to the cost of a full retail license..

Bing edition was free (apparently) How much does Microsoft make from PC makers with Windows 8.1? | ZDNet

Haven't seen any leaks of Windows 10 OEM pricing....

pparks1 · 17 Nov 2015

FrozenCursor said:

I thought that there was no way to block any updates , problematic or not, on Windows 10 Home and Windows 10 Pro computers. Windows 10 Enterprise can only delay updates, but not indefinitely.

Professional can defer updates too. They still get the security updates immediately, its just feature updates and such which can defer.

lx07 · 17 Nov 2015

pparks1 said:

Professional can defer updates too. They still get the security updates immediately, its just feature updates and such which can defer.

Does that work though if you are not on CBB? Was wondering about that earlier here Microsoft Releases the Win 10 Tool That Helps Block Botched Updates - Page 2 - Windows 10 Forums