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  1. Posts : 381
    Windows 11 Professional 23H2 22635
       #260

    larc919 said:
    I don't believe for one second that Microsoft will require TPM 2.0 on the release build of Windows 11. Just think of all the grief they would get if they did that.
    Well said, I would be astonished if MS did this.
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  2. Posts : 2,667
    Windows 11 21H2 (22000.593)
       #261

    larc919 said:
    I don't believe for one second that Microsoft will require TPM 2.0 on the release build of Windows 11. Just think of all the grief they would get if they did that. Many current Windows users with older computers would have to buy new ones. Even some of us who build our own may need new motherboards, and that could mean new CPUs and memory as well. Since OEM versions of Windows can't be transferred, new keys would be needed by many. What an uproar that would cause.
    I have a one word response for you - Vista.
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  3. Posts : 2,667
    Windows 11 21H2 (22000.593)
       #262

    To expand upon my previous post:

    Windows 95 was great, Windows 98 not so much - but they did fix some of the users' gripes with 98 SE.

    Windows 2000 was (technically) not a consumer OS - for the consumer, the next step was actually ME. And it was meh (IMO) and horrible (in many users' opinions).

    XP was great - a lot of people loved it (and still do, in fact) - but it had its own share of issues (particuarly stemming from the rampant admin privileges for default installs).

    Vista - we all know it was a resource hog and forced a lot of hardware upgrades because companies refused to go back and write new drivers for older hardware that would make them Vista-compatible / usable.

    7 - probably my most fav consumer Windows OS, in terms of usability and back-end support, but it's old. A lot of new hardware doesn't work as well, and particularly the GPT partition tables system to boot from in UEFI-based systems.

    8 - way past meh, I really don't like 8 - never have, never will. It had some neat interface tweaks and a lot of backend good stuff, but the UI ruined it for me.

    10 - I like it well enough. I use it because it is better for newer hardware than 7 is, and I've grown to like it well enough to use it as my daily driver, even on my previous rig that would have happily kept chugging along on 7.

    Next - (supposedly 11) - we'll see.

    If you look at the patterns - after every successful (in terms of user support and usage) OS M$ flops and drops a crappy one on us. From 95 was 98, from 98SE was ME, from XP was Vista, and from 7 was 8.

    So you can see where I'm going on this - I don't expect 11 to be an XP / 7 / 10 caliber OS at all. And so I DO expect them to pull some fast stunts with this OS< fixing things that are not necessarily broken while introducing a whole slew of requirements that will make users angry.

    Which, BTW, means I also expect a new OS within 3-5 years to fix this next OS....
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    Windows 10 Pro Insider
       #263

    @johngalt I disliked Windows Vista so much I moved to Mandrake Linux Until I became a tester for Windows 7.
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    Windows 11 Pro (x64)(v23H2)(Build 22631.3447)
       #264

    Nice list @johngalt ...
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    Wndows 10 Pro x64 release preview channel
       #265

    Before even thinking about Win 11 we need to know about the financial side of it , or is there a way to stay with Win10 if Win11 turns out to be a POS.
    A whole load of stuff to get our heads around before thinking which way to head.
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  7. Posts : 2,667
    Windows 11 21H2 (22000.593)
       #266

    Winuser said:
    @johngalt I disliked Windows Vista so much I moved to Mandrake Linux Until I became a tester for Windows 7.
    Not surprising at all. I started my own foray into Linux with Fedora Core 2, right before FC 3 was released. XP was taking entirely too long to boot on my Pentium 200MHz machine.

    After grabbing a P4, though, and putting enough RAM behind it it was fine and I left Linux as a side project while I became re-acquainted with XP.
    Melchior said:
    Nice list @johngalt ...
    Thanks!
    DooGie said:
    Before even thinking about Win 11 we need to know about the financial side of it , or is there a way to stay with Win10 if Win11 turns out to be a POS.
    A whole load of stuff to get our heads around before thinking which way to head.
    Honestly? Right now the leaked Win 11 was activated using my Windows 7 key (the same one I used to activate my original license for Windows 10, actually). With 7 support disappearing and 8 right behind it, I'd be (somewhat) surprised if Win 7 / 8 users are allowed a direct to 11 upgrade path.

    I also suspect that making users upgrade from 10 to 11 will have its own pitfalls.

    As for sticking with 10 - yeah, they will NOT force people - they know full and well that anyone forced to upgrade will cause them both more headaches and having to deal with users venting and screaming at them than they want, especially with users of other OSs already bashing M$ at every opportunity, not to mention those of us who regularly use a Windows OS and still bash M$ (noticed I almost always use a $$$ symbol in their name).

    The minute they try to make me use any particular OS without allowing me the choice of using what I want to, I'm gone. And they know that I am far from being a one man army when it comes to this type of situation.

    Heck, as soon as the Upgrade to 11 taskbar entry comes about that periodically urges the user to upgrade to 11, or whatever they call it, watch - every media outlet in the world will be on their arse screaming bloody murder.

    I'm pretty sure 10 will be here for the full 4 more years it is slated to be.
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  8. Posts : 231
    Windows 10 Home 21H1
       #267

    johngalt said:
    I have a one word response for you - Vista.
    No, it's not even in the ballpark. Vista had higher system requirements but that's because it had a much more robust kernel, a brand new driver framework, much higher demanding visuals and just generally, a lot more background processes going on. THAT was demanding but even that was justified with higher CPU and RAM requirements, also graphics if you wanted more than the basic windows retro theme which was still available.
    It was not very well optimized, it was painfully slow with 1G of RAM, even with 2G, but with Windows 7 they got it right.

    A jump in RAM requirements from Windows 10's 2G (x64) to 4G could be justified in my opinion. I can hardly imagine any system working with less than 4G nowadays. Even 4 is so slow, 8 is barely enough for power users.

    I upgraded to 16G and it is a dream. No loading times. I did use SSDs before but the additional RAM makes it way better. SuperFetch at it's finest.

    But TPM? Come on, that's not even a required feature. BitLocker and stuff needs it but besides... not so much. Especially not version 2.0. It is obviously a testing requirement for this internal build. It is wrong to make assumptions on that.
    And let's not forget that this prerelease leaked edition allegedly runs just fine without a TPM. You just have to deploy the image manually. (like, put it inside a Windows 10 installer to disable the check for TPM)

    WHY they have implemented a check for a TPM as a requirement in the installer is quite interesting though. MY idea is that this will not be enforced for existing computers, but only for new OEM prebuilt systems that said the new PCs that will ship with Windows 11 *or whatever it will be called*, will have TPM2.0 by default and the OS will be encrypted by default with BitLocker, or something similar. This would greatly enhance user security but also cause a lot of pain for users who lose their keys, passwords etc... Making Microsoft accounts mandatory to set up a new installation on a Windows 11-certified PC could get around this issue though. The key could easily be saved into the MS account much like it is done today.

    It would be, what, just more forced than it is today. That is the main reason I can see why there is a TPM requirement. I can also imagine a next generation password/identity lock feature which could store all your passwords, login credentials locally and the TPM2.0 would help with keeping that vault locked.
    Combine that with a strong login password, enforced secure boot, disabled alternative boot options and maybe some next-level OS integrity checking on boot up (perhaps a read-only system partition much like EroFS on android), it would become more difficult to retrieve passwords from a PC unless they are able to log in properly.
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  9. Posts : 15,037
    Windows 10 IoT
       #268

    I really really liked Windows 2000. I used it at home for many many years. It was actually pretty game friendly and way more reliable than Windows 95 or 98. IMHO anyway.
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    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #269

    Barman58 said:
    If we are dealing with an internal development build, which is what has been stated all along, I would expect a microsoft ID to be a prerequisite for activation at this time as no one outside of Microsoft should have access to the installer
    johngalt said:
    WRT the whole Microsoft account for logins:
    While this may seem like a bane to many, I personally find it a good thing. My licenses are tied to my account digitally, and whenever I've reinstalled Windows 10 (both on my old rig that I ran Insider Preview builds on live, and my (now not so) new rig (It's a year old!!!!! Time flies!) I've never once had to enter a product key, simply letting the install go and then logging in with my Microsoft account.
    Tying the digital licence to your MS account is an optional extra, the primary link for the digital licence on the activation servers is to the unique hardware ID of the machine. I've never had to enter a product key for a reinstall either, but I don't use a MS account - I only ever use local accounts.

    A clean install of this leaked 'Windows 11', skipping entering a key when asked, on a VM that had an existing digital licence for W10 Pro activated immediately. As did an in-place upgrade to 'Win11' of an actived W10 Home VM. Both use local accounts only.
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