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  1.    23 Aug 2015 #121
    Join Date : Dec 2013
    England
    Posts : 964
    Windows IP 17046

    Hi popeye,
    I have tried it but I get this(snip) and still can not be changed, I will leave it a day or two and see how it goes.
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  2.    23 Aug 2015 #122
    Join Date : Jun 2014
    United States
    Posts : 132
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit

    I look for a bit more than "neatest looking", eye candy doesn't impress me that much. Need it to function and do what I want. I'll keep beating the drum, I want to control my updates!
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  3.    23 Aug 2015 #123
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    New York
    Posts : 216
    Windows 10

    Well, i will admit the one negative to me has been the privacy issues, but it only took about 10 minutes to mostly take care of that aspect...as far as the auto updates, it's because i have found that they get installed quickly and reliably (at least that's been the case for me) and that's the main reason it doesn't bother me at all...
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  4.    23 Aug 2015 #124
    Join Date : Jun 2014
    United States
    Posts : 132
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit

    Quote Originally Posted by brummyfan View Post
    Hi popeye,
    I have tried it but I get this(snip) and still can not be changed, I will leave it a day or two and see how it goes.
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    Thanks so much for testing it. It is all so ambiguous with the warnings and saying downloads won't happen over metered connections. So I have to keep changing my connection type to download when I want? Jeez MS, give us a break!
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  5.    23 Aug 2015 #125
    Join Date : Jun 2014
    United States
    Posts : 132
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
    Well, i will admit the one negative to me has been the privacy issues, but it only took about 10 minutes to mostly take care of that aspect...as far as the auto updates, it's because i have found that they get installed quickly and reliably (at least that's been the case for me) and that's the main reason it doesn't bother me at all...
    I am on capped satellite ISP so it does bother me. Seems MS forgot there are still folks even in the US that don't have unlimited internet. Actually, the US is behind many other countries when it comes to broadband internet for everyone.
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  6.    24 Aug 2015 #126
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    St Augustine, FL
    Posts : 1
    Windows 7 Home Premium

    Tried and liked but will wait!


    I was one who couldn't wait to upgrade, based on the hype I was reading about Windows 10. When I received the my system and software met all the requirements approval from the Get Windows 10 App, I was overjoyed. So I waited and waited, each day hoping to find the upgrade in Windows Update, but it would not come. After some research, I found out that Microsoft offered Win 10 in an ISO and the wait was over.
    During the wait time I started looking for an appropriate desktop background to use and found one that I liked very much. With a little modification I came up with the following I call Win 10 Colorful:
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    Now with precautions taken (I thought) and the ISO in hand I decided to take the leap. The upgrade from Windows 7 Home Premium seemed to go smoothly and I was a happy camper... Until the installation was complete and I had no internet due to Win 10 drivers that were not compatible with my NIC (Realtek RTL8168C (P) Family PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NCIS 6.20)). Finally in Device Manager Win 10 had migrated the Win 7 driver which I picked from the list and my internet icon clicked "all's well). Now everything looked as if it were working until I restarted the computer and noticed a warning that Tune-up Utilities 2013 was starting in compatibility mode. Long story short, some of my hardware and software were having problems and this was causing me enough grief to decide to revert back to Win 7, which evidently Win 10 was incapable of doing. After waiting a long time for Win 7 to return all I got was a black screen with a cursor in the center and no go on reboot, basically a boat anchor.
    I removed that "C" drive and installed a Seagate Barracuda 1TB and set it up as the new "C" drive upon clean slating Win 7. After the tedious process of endless updates and SP1, I finally got Win 7 and the reinstalled programs like it used to be, with the exception of my Libraries and Outlook mail. I turned the computer off and installed the old "C" drive and restarted. Win 7 picked it up as Drive F and from there it was easy to copy my libraries and Outlook data files and some other settings I needed. After making sure I had everything I needed from Drive F, I had Win 7 format it and use it as storage.
    I really wasn't mad at Win 10 because it was my mistake not to make an image of Win 7 prior to the upgrade. Now my Windows 7 Home Premium is back to its glory and running better than before. I guess I will wait until the bugs are worked out with Win 10 to install it because I did like a lot of the new features.
    Now after a bit of modification to my background this is what I now use Win 7 Colorful!
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    You learn from your mistakes and believe me I did make an image of the newly clean slated Win 7.
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  7.    24 Aug 2015 #127
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 62
    Win7 X64

    Quote Originally Posted by fredc View Post
    Before i actually got to check it out first hand and see what it contains i would agree but the privacy issues are a huge turn off , it's mind boggling how intrusive MS has become(even if you can turn some of them off).

    The only thing i'm aware of that actually wants more personal info from people is "facebook" , they are just off the charts nuts. Even my parents don't know half the stuff some of these internet companies want to know.
    I am one of the people that jumped on the free upgrade after 07/29....well, just because I could. I was very impressed with the manner in which it downloaded and installed with no problems whatsoever. I was especially impressed to see a clean Device Manager, which meant I didn't have to go looking for drivers! I also noticed the OS appeared very stable; and I even liked downloading a few of the apps off the store (albeit not too much to choose from at this point).

    All seemed good initially in my experience. But then I started to realize some things--which weren't so good. First, I learned MS was not going to support their (now retired) Microsoft Money Plus in Windows 10 (even though it continues to work in WIn7 and WIn8. And I have used that program to manage my personal finances for going on 15 years. Yes, there are registry hacks available for this program, but I never wanted to take that chance with all continuous windows updates and changes going on with Win10. But even more than that, I became very disappointed after learning how massive the intrusion has became from MS with Win10. Yes, there are settings that can be turned off. But turning off those settings doesn't cover all of the privacy concerns in Win10. And the fact that MS had ALL of them on (by default) made me lose some trust--which is very important in my world.

    I want an operating system that is going to fully respect my privacy and not even entertain the idea of keeping logs of my web browser history, program usage, contacts, emails, ete, etc, etc, There are people out there that will give MS a free pass on these privacy concerns by saying that MS must have this information in today's mobile world in order to best serve their customers. But that is hogwash on a desktop operating system.

    Now, we all know we don't have total privacy on our iPhones or Androids either. But the fact is, many of us hold our desktop operating systems to a higher standard than we do our phone's operating system. And it goes without saying that many of us don't conduct banking, taxes, or any other sensitive data on our smart phones either. So you just can't equate one to the other. I think no matter what people think of Apple, you may can understand the fact that they realized a long time ago that a desktop operating system needed to remain separate from a smart phone or tablet. Accordingly, they have IOS for mobile and OS X for Macs. And I know they've got issues too--however, I am not aware of any company publishing a EULA agreement for an OS that is as wide reaching (and sometime very vague language) as what MS did with the Win10 EULA.

    So just this past weekend, I decided to go back to WIn7. I had a spare SSD and another Win7 license I could easily reactivate. And that's what I've done. I still have Win10 installed on a second SSD (which is currently not plugged into the computer). I may continue to do some testing with Win10. But I'd really like to see MS make some compromises on this new OS and how they intend to conduct their business. One user (in a different forum) equated Win10 to a malware system. And while I don't go that far in saying that--I do feel MS needs to revisit their data collection procedures.

    I really want to like Win10 and saw some good things about it. But right now-there are bad things too. And until I can reconcile all of this in my mind, I could not continue with this OS. Perhaps part of these changes (by MS) are due because they are desperately trying to obtain a sizable market share of the mobile market with this 'all in one' Win10 OS that runs across platforms. But I think they will have an uphill battle trying to take market share away from Android and IOS because those to are so entrenched in the mobile market.

    So I hope MS will refocus on the desktop operating system and hear some of the concerns of its users. Again, I really want to like this operating system, but I cannot use it as my main workstation in good conscience at this time. We've got over 4 more years of support on Win7. Let's hope that during that time, MS will learn to make some compromises and turn this OS into the great OS that it has the potential of being.
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  8.    25 Aug 2015 #128

    Quote Originally Posted by scott784 View Post
    I am one of the people that jumped on the free upgrade after 07/29....well, just because I could. I was very impressed with the manner in which it downloaded and installed with no problems whatsoever. I was especially impressed to see a clean Device Manager, which meant I didn't have to go looking for drivers! I also noticed the OS appeared very stable; and I even liked downloading a few of the apps off the store (albeit not too much to choose from at this point).

    All seemed good initially in my experience. But then I started to realize some things--which weren't so good. First, I learned MS was not going to support their (now retired) Microsoft Money Plus in Windows 10 (even though it continues to work in WIn7 and WIn8. And I have used that program to manage my personal finances for going on 15 years. Yes, there are registry hacks available for this program, but I never wanted to take that chance with all continuous windows updates and changes going on with Win10. But even more than that, I became very disappointed after learning how massive the intrusion has became from MS with Win10. Yes, there are settings that can be turned off. But turning off those settings doesn't cover all of the privacy concerns in Win10. And the fact that MS had ALL of them on (by default) made me lose some trust--which is very important in my world.

    I want an operating system that is going to fully respect my privacy and not even entertain the idea of keeping logs of my web browser history, program usage, contacts, emails, ete, etc, etc, There are people out there that will give MS a free pass on these privacy concerns by saying that MS must have this information in today's mobile world in order to best serve their customers. But that is hogwash on a desktop operating system.

    Now, we all know we don't have total privacy on our iPhones or Androids either. But the fact is, many of us hold our desktop operating systems to a higher standard than we do our phone's operating system. And it goes without saying that many of us don't conduct banking, taxes, or any other sensitive data on our smart phones either. So you just can't equate one to the other. I think no matter what people think of Apple, you may can understand the fact that they realized a long time ago that a desktop operating system needed to remain separate from a smart phone or tablet. Accordingly, they have IOS for mobile and OS X for Macs. And I know they've got issues too--however, I am not aware of any company publishing a EULA agreement for an OS that is as wide reaching (and sometime very vague language) as what MS did with the Win10 EULA.

    So just this past weekend, I decided to go back to WIn7. I had a spare SSD and another Win7 license I could easily reactivate. And that's what I've done. I still have Win10 installed on a second SSD (which is currently not plugged into the computer). I may continue to do some testing with Win10. But I'd really like to see MS make some compromises on this new OS and how they intend to conduct their business. One user (in a different forum) equated Win10 to a malware system. And while I don't go that far in saying that--I do feel MS needs to revisit their data collection procedures.

    I really want to like Win10 and saw some good things about it. But right now-there are bad things too. And until I can reconcile all of this in my mind, I could not continue with this OS. Perhaps part of these changes (by MS) are due because they are desperately trying to obtain a sizable market share of the mobile market with this 'all in one' Win10 OS that runs across platforms. But I think they will have an uphill battle trying to take market share away from Android and IOS because those to are so entrenched in the mobile market.

    So I hope MS will refocus on the desktop operating system and hear some of the concerns of its users. Again, I really want to like this operating system, but I cannot use it as my main workstation in good conscience at this time. We've got over 4 more years of support on Win7. Let's hope that during that time, MS will learn to make some compromises and turn this OS into the great OS that it has the potential of being.
    Excellent post and i think you said what a lot of people feel . An even bigger disappointment and an even more revealing factor about Microsoft's intent is how difficult they make it to remove or uninstall a lot of these app's .

    They allow you to simply right click to uninstall some but with others they do not allow you to do that and you have to spend more time to figure out how to remove them, that is very disappointing and very telling as well .
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  9.    25 Aug 2015 #129
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Australia
    Posts : 18
    Windows 10 64-bit

    I like the practicality and the sleekness to Windows Ten. I do not like the all or nothing driver updates and if I ever find out the reason Word 2010 repeatedly borked a document on saving/freeze, no crash or recovery but a deleted/missing document (did a System Restore undid a bad program install that might have blocked a call home to Microsoft) was because they were verifying my Office copy as it does on repeat in Event Viewer because it's a new Ten feature- I will hunt down any programmers responsible.
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  10.    25 Aug 2015 #130
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 39
    Windows 10

    Windows 10 has still to win me over completely. We need more control over the UI, like we had in Windows 7, drivers need to catch up for Windows 10. More control over updates and how and when they are delivered.

    I want to feel more that Windows 10 is tailored to suit a PC/Laptop and not a Pad/Phone. Apple did not make that mistake, they realised that a UI for iPad/iPhone would not be good for a Mac/Laptop, hence IOS and Yosemite.
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