Windows 10: Windows 9 Preview to Launch This Year, New Activation System in the Works – Rumor

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  1.    10 Sep 2014 #41

    There is one feature can end up being a drawback on devices with limited storage. Right now, even if you install just Core, all the files needed for the Pro features are also installed. They may be compressed, I don't know, but they are there waiting to be enabled. This lets you use the Add Features to upgrade to Pro without having to supply any install media. The extra features just get installed or unlocked. This will make the basic install footprint bigger than it normally would be for a Core Install. Which is what most OEM PC's likely ship with. Mu guess is Windows 9's footprint will be even bigger. Just a guess at this point though.
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       10 Sep 2014 #42

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    There is one feature can end up being a drawback on devices with limited storage. Right now, even if you install just Core, all the files needed for the Pro features are also installed. They may be compressed, I don't know, but they are there waiting to be enabled. This lets you use the Add Features to upgrade to Pro without having to supply any install media. The extra features just get installed or unlocked. This will make the basic install footprint bigger than it normally would be for a Core Install. Which is what most OEM PC's likely ship with. Mu guess is Windows 9's footprint will be even bigger. Just a guess at this point though.
    The "Cloud" could be useful (for a change) if those extra features were stored there, instead of on the device.
    You'd only need a few bytes locally to remember licensing details and installation rights.

    It would chew up users' data allowances.

    IMO, it's axiomatic; if users want more features, they will have to accept some trade off.
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  3.    11 Sep 2014 #43

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    The "Cloud" could be useful (for a change) if those extra features were stored there, instead of on the device.
    You'd only need a few bytes locally to remember licensing details and installation rights.

    It would chew up users' data allowances.

    IMO, it's axiomatic; if users want more features, they will have to accept some trade off.
    I like it the way it is. I upgraded my laptop from Core to Pro when I got it with one of my TechNet keys. It didn't take very long at all. I'm sure it would have been a long haul if all the files would have had to have been downloaded from Microsoft first. If your already running Pro it won't matter anyway. Also If you look though the Turn Windows Features On or Off, you'll see a lot of unchecked boxes. The files for those features are sitting idle somewhere on your drive also. There isn't much you can do about it but that's also where some of the large OS footprint comes from. It's done so your not prompted to insert the Windows 8 DVD, that you don't have or can't remember where you put it, when you want to enable a feature.
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       11 Sep 2014 #44

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    I like it the way it is. I upgraded my laptop from Core to Pro when I got it with one of my TechNet keys. It didn't take very long at all. I'm sure it would have been a long haul if all the files would have had to have been downloaded from Microsoft first. If your already running Pro it won't matter anyway.
    I meant that mobile devices with their limited storage might benefit.

    Desktops and laptops normally have oodles of storage space, in comparison.

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Also If you look though the Turn Windows Features On or Off, you'll see a lot of unchecked boxes. The files for those features are sitting idle somewhere on your drive also. There isn't much you can do about it but that's also where some of the large OS footprint comes from. It's done so your not prompted to insert the Windows 8 DVD, that you don't have or can't remember where you put it, when you want to enable a feature.
    Sure.
    MS Office 2007 does the same thing (I haven't seen what the later versions do).
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  5.    11 Sep 2014 #45

    @ lehnerus2000, yes I agree. For devices with limited storage a smaller install footprint would be beneficial. Personally I'd rather have the install media/upgrade media on a USB thumb drive or SD card than in the cloud. Each has advantages and disadvantages though. Physical media can be lost or misplaced. On the other hand if you have a slow connection or intermittent connection then doing a big upgrade from the Cloud could be an issue.
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  6.    11 Sep 2014 #46

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Do you guys and girls give false names and addresses when you sign up for cable, Internet, or phone service?
    No, but if they weren't checking my ID I would. However, they need to check my credit and make sure I keep paying for their services, so it's logical for them to check my ID.

    The difference with the OS is that it's a product, not a subscription service. I know they are trying to change this, but personally I will not go for it unless absolutely necessary. A PC is a tool, it's not a virtual store. Internet is also a tool, which I do use sometimes, but I don't see why do I have to be permanently connected to it. Of course, in reality I am connected most of the time, but certainly not 24/7.

    Finally, it seems rather strange to demand this LiveID stuff just for the one-time activation purposes. I believe it actually costs them money to keep track of all those accounts. I am sure I do have several already - they do require you to have one when you want to download something from their site, like an OS preview for example. And every time I have to do that - I create a new one, since I can't be bothered to remember my password or which email address I gave them last time (let alone, when the last time actually was). But, it'll be what it'll be ...
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  7.    11 Sep 2014 #47

    unifex said: View Post
    No, but if they weren't checking my ID I would. However, they need to check my credit and make sure I keep paying for their services, so it's logical for them to check my ID.

    The difference with the OS is that it's a product, not a subscription service. I know they are trying to change this, but personally I will not go for it unless absolutely necessary. A PC is a tool, it's not a virtual store. Internet is also a tool, which I do use sometimes, but I don't see why do I have to be permanently connected to it. Of course, in reality I am connected most of the time, but certainly not 24/7.

    Finally, it seems rather strange to demand this LiveID stuff just for the one-time activation purposes. I believe it actually costs them money to keep track of all those accounts. I am sure I do have several already - they do require you to have one when you want to download something from their site, like an OS preview for example. And every time I have to do that - I create a new one, since I can't be bothered to remember my password or which email address I gave them last time (let alone, when the last time actually was). But, it'll be what it'll be ...
    Activation isn't a one time deal. Your PC rechecks activation status over and over again as you use it. There is more to the Windows Live ID than just activation. If you want to use the Windows Store and Apps you need one. It's also linked to One Drive etc. Anyway, there are advantages and disadvantages to doing it that way. If they actually do it that is. It's not going to impact me, but its going to complicate things for some that resist this change. I get that some don't want to use a Live ID, I just don't get some of the resining behind that choice. That's life I guess.
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  8.    11 Sep 2014 #48

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Activation isn't a one time deal. Your PC rechecks activation status over and over again as you use it. There is more to the Windows Live ID than just activation. If you want to use the Windows Store and Apps you need one. It's also linked to One Drive etc. Anyway, there are advantages and disadvantages to doing it that way. If they actually do it that is. It's not going to impact me, but its going to complicate things for some that resist this change. I get that some don't want to use a Live ID, I just don't get some of the resining behind that choice. That's life I guess.
    Well, for me it is a one-time deal. If the PC is not connected to the internet then it won't recheck anything. Moreover, even if it does so when the PC is connected, it does so quietly, I don't have to enter the LiveID or password again if I'm not mistaken. Now, I do not want to use the Store or Apps, I see no point in full-screen Metro Apps, and even if there is some improvement and they don't take the full screen now, they are still basically geared towards touch and I am using a desktop and not a tablet. In any case, I don't know of anything that I need to do that would require one of those apps. I don't use One Drive either. I just don't need it, I have plenty of storage space and I have no need for accessing the files on my PC while away from home. That's the reasoning - if I don't need any of the services linked to the LiveID, then I don't need the LiveID.
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       11 Sep 2014 #49

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    I get that some don't want to use a Live ID, I just don't get some of the resining behind that choice. That's life I guess.
    Why make it easy for for "ID Pirating" corporations (and cyber-criminals) to vacuum up your personal info?

    Adobe, Apple, Google, MS and Sony (just to name a few) have proven track records of losing customer info to hackers.

    Personally I object to having to sign up, just so they can sell the info to advertisers or "accidentally" lose it to criminals.
    It must generate astronomical ROI (profits) for companies to bother doing it.

    If people are going to use dodgy info for sign ups, I suggest using the names "Larry Page" or "Mark Zuckerberg".
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  10.    12 Sep 2014 #50

    eatup said: View Post
    In Windows 8, I usually pull out the ethernet cable at the step where it asks me my LiveID account. Going back a step and foward again, it no longer asks me for a Live account (no internet detected), but lets me create a local one.
    You don't have to do that... just enter an invalid email... something like x@x.blah and when it tries to validate it, it will say it can't, then offer to let re-enter or create a local account. You don't have to unplug the cable.
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