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  1. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Win10
       14 Aug 2015 #11

    Phone Man said: View Post
    This is a quote from an update to that article.



    This matches the Windows 10 EULA and my Windows 10 that was upgraded from my W8.1 Retail license can be transferred to a new PC but requires a call to Customer Service.

    Jim
    That would make sense since it was the case from Win7/8 days but several people have been told by MS this is not the case for Win10. After July/16, it is OEM rules for retails copies.
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  2. Joined : Jan 2015
    UK
    Posts : 266
    windows 10
       14 Aug 2015 #12

    chemie said: View Post
    That would make sense since it was the case from Win7/8 days but several people have been told by MS this is not the case for Win10. After July/16, it is OEM rules for retails copies.
    hope not as I build a new computer every couple of years and have win 10 installed on top of win 7 ultimate retail
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  3. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,213
    Windows 10 IoT
       14 Aug 2015 #13

    chemie said: View Post
    That would make sense since it was the case from Win7/8 days but several people have been told by MS this is not the case for Win10. After July/16, it is OEM rules for retails copies.
    I think your very mistaken and need to clarify what you said. What Retail copies become OEM? And why after July 16th? Links to said info please.
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  4. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 72
    Windows 10 Pro x64 V1607 b14393
       14 Aug 2015 #14

    Retail copies do NOT become OEM after Jul 2016.

    Please read the Transfer section in the EULA/the License Agreement. Specifically Section 4 b that applies to Retail copies of W10. I quote:

    4. Transfer. The provisions of this section do not apply if you acquired the software as a consumer in Germany or in any of the countries listed on this site (aka.ms/transfer), in which case any transfer of the software to a third party, and the right to use it, must comply with applicable law.
    a. Software preinstalled on device. If you acquired the software preinstalled on a device (and also if you upgraded from software preinstalled on a device), you may transfer the license to use the software directly to another user, only with the licensed device. The transfer must include the software and, if provided with the device, an authentic Windows label including the product key. Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software.
    b. Stand-alone software. If you acquired the software as stand-alone software (and also if you upgraded from software you acquired as stand-alone software), you may transfer the software to another device that belongs to you. You may also transfer the software to a device owned by someone else if (i) you are the first licensed user of the software and (ii) the new user agrees to the terms of this agreement. You may use the backup copy we allow you to make or the media that the software came on to transfer the software. Every time you transfer the software to a new device, you must remove the software from the prior device. You may not transfer the software to share licenses between devices.
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  5. Joined : Jul 2014
    Serbia
    Posts : 6,970
    All kinds
       14 Aug 2015 #15

    MS is no stranger to shooting self in the foot but not letting retail copies be installed (using proper procedure of course) would be another place it hits.
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  6. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,213
    Windows 10 IoT
       14 Aug 2015 #16

    My factory OEM Windows 7 install became a Windows 10 Pro Retail install. If anything its going the other way. OEM becomes Retail. Which makes sense, Microsoft becomes your tech support after the upgrade, not the OEM. The OEM is only going to give you support for what was installed at the factory. If you switch to a new OS, your on your own as far as their concerned.
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  7. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 230
    Windows 10, 8.1, 7, and Vista
       14 Aug 2015 #17

    I don't get it.

    I have Full/Retail Windows 7 Home Premium. The one that comes in the nice pretty fancy box: Click image for larger version. 

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    I upgraded my current installation to W10 Home.


    If I ever decided to build a new computer, can I just use a W10 disc created via Media Creation Tool, then my W7 product key to activate?

    Again, it's Full/Retail Windows, not the OEM version. Technically this should be possible, since Full/Retail licenses are transferable to a new computer.
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  8. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,213
    Windows 10 IoT
       14 Aug 2015 #18

    bobjoe said: View Post
    I don't get it.

    I have Full/Retail Windows 7 Home Premium. The one that comes in the nice pretty fancy box: Click image for larger version. 

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    I upgraded my current installation to W10 Home.


    If I ever decided to build a new computer, can I just use a W10 disc created via Media Creation Tool, then my W7 product key to activate?

    Again, it's Full/Retail Windows, not the OEM version. Technically this should be possible, since Full/Retail licenses are transferable to a new computer.
    Windows 10 will not accept Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 keys. You would have to Install Windows 7 on the new hardware and then upgrade to Windows 10 to activate it. Or swap motherboards and call Microsoft to get it activated again.
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  9. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 230
    Windows 10, 8.1, 7, and Vista
       14 Aug 2015 #19

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Windows 10 will not accept Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 keys. You would have to Install Windows 7 on the new hardware and then upgrade to Windows 10 to activate it. Or swap motherboards and call Microsoft to get it activated again.
    But upgrading to W10 from W7 will still be possible, even after July 2016?


    Last time I checked online, when you "upgrade" to W10, your current W7 or W8.1 key will simply be "granted the right" to activate W10. They're not giving you a new key, obviously, but your current one should activate W10.

    This is way more complicated than it should be...
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  10. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,213
    Windows 10 IoT
       14 Aug 2015 #20

    bobjoe said: View Post
    But upgrading to W10 from W7 will still be possible, even after July 2016?


    Last time I checked online, when you "upgrade" to W10, your current W7 or W8.1 key will simply be "granted the right" to activate W10. They're not giving you a new key, obviously, but your current one should activate W10.

    This is way more complicated than it should be...
    All I'm saying is, if you clean install, and try to enter a Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 key it will be rejected. Do a clean install on a PC that was never upgraded to 10 or activated with Windows 10, and it will fail activation if you do the skip key. Upgrade installs will be doable after July 2016, they just won't be free upgrades. I'm not sure what happens if you do another upgrade with an OS you used for the free upgrade after that date. On that same original hardware Windows 10 should activate like it did the first time. Activation for that hardware is already stored on the activation server. Install on new hardware, then upgrade to 10, I'm not so sure?
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