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  1.    13 Aug 2015 #81
    Join Date : Oct 2014
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    Windows 10 TP x64

    I do not measure my boot time, as it is so short so I don't mind it at all. But aprox. after 5-10 seconds (closer to 5) I am on the logon screen, entering PIN and voila. Of course, the processes take some time to load, but in max 5 seconds I am free to work. This is on UEFI MB and SSD.
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  2.    13 Aug 2015 #82
    Join Date : Apr 2014
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc

    Well that's it! Once you are at the desktop and still seeing the hard drive led if you have one still lit up solid or blinking on and off with more on time you know the startup items not just the system processes are still being loaded into ram! Your startup time will also be effected by how many programs do see their own processes load up at the same time which can slow things down a bit.
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  3.    13 Aug 2015 #83
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 60
    Windows 10 10586.218

    Quote Originally Posted by teachermark View Post
    Overall, I'm very happy with Windows 10.
    It has been a good investment. (Of my time, not money!)

    All the things that Microsoft wants us to embrace have no interest for me.
    My search is set to only look at my computer... NOT the web!
    All the tiles have been deleted.
    Cortana has been (almost) hidden away.
    Edge/IE? What is all that about? Don't know - don't care.
    Every 'app' has been uninstalled where it could be...
    (I'm a 55 year old man and I still have to tolerate an XBox app on my computer!
    Never played XBox or Wii or any kind of computer game in my life... but there it is... XBox on my computer! Grrr!)

    The OS runs all my programs just fine.
    (Had to update my video editor [PowerDirector], but that was the only program that was un-prepared for Windows 10 from the get-go.)

    My verdict is that it's very stable.
    Boot times are a lot LONGER (yeah, who'da thort!), and updates are out of control.
    Minor niggles that will get sorted out over time.
    ''Edge/IE? What is all that about? Don't know - don't care.'' You say don't care. but still asked a question in that sentence.
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  4.    14 Aug 2015 #84
    Join Date : Jun 2015
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    Windows 7 (SP1)

    I haven't tried windows 8.1 but when I tried windows 10 (I tried both the upgrade, then clean install) it seemed a LOT slower than windows 7 !!
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  5.    14 Aug 2015 #85
    Join Date : Apr 2014
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc

    It's definitely slower when installing 10 even back when still in Tech Preview form as well as the 8 Customer Preview in comparison to how fast 7 went on! W7 has the record there unless going way back to 3.1 and 9x, ME days! Even 98SE took longer to install as the average time up until 7 was 39min. compared to 7's 20min.!

    You would think that since 7 brought in the WinMin kernel that 8, 8.1, and 10 would go on just as fast until you look at what has been added in from the GUI part at least making the newer larger. Virtual desktops and multi-platform options as well as 8 having the Windows To Go option for portable on the flash drive type activity. This is one of the main reasons for seeing the Windows 10 installer as slow as the two previous versions while 7 stood out as just about the fastest.

    Never toyed with 1.0 or 2.0 having started off with Dos and 3.1. Dos went right on being the one thing that could still take some time while never as long as Windows simply from the need to swap out floppy disks back in those days! The same for the early Windows.
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  6.    14 Aug 2015 #86
    Join Date : Jul 2015
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    Win7 X64

    In my experience using Win10 (since 07/29), it feels like a much more modern interface and appears very stable. I also like the fact that I can add apps (albeit kind of limited right now in the MS Store). But very simple things like instantly creating shortcuts (with the tiles) for apps like NetFlix, iHeart Radio, Flixster), or any other number of web apps in Win10.

    What I don't particularly like are the privacy settings (or I should say lack of) that default in favor of Microsoft. And although minor on my SSD, the boot time to the desktop clearly takes a little longer in Win10 versus Win7. And there's one program that I cannot use in Win10 (Microsoft Money Sunset) without a lot of fiddling because it's not supported in this new OS.
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  7.    15 Aug 2015 #87
    Join Date : Apr 2014
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    Have you tried using the Compatibility troubleshooter when right clicking on the exe file for the MMSunset? Besides sometimes you can get an older app to run on 10 by using the "run as admin" option also available in the right click to get things going. Ran into a few things that needed it!

    The one thing about privacy settings I tend to agree was seen right before finally reaching the desktop the first time during the final stage of the set up where you can opt for either Express settings by default or go in and disable sharing location and other data with MS and 3rd parties. You go back in there later however just as easy to re-enble or disble things found in the "Start>Settings>Privacy-location-camera" settings with the on and off slider tabs now seen you simply click on.

    These type settings can easily be disabled but are included for things like beta testing and use in part by developers and others who are sharing data with MS. You might have seen them on the Tech Preview builds as well. The main reason why 8 and newer with 8.1 and now 10 the desktop takes longer to load is from seeing a slightly larger OS due to new features now being seen in addition to being able to "serve two masters" in that you can run 10 on the mobile/tablet platform as well as on the desktop.

    That takes up some file space in order to see two entirely different hardware platforms available as well as syncing mobile devices to interact with the desktop while on the go. But can offer quite a bit for those who rely a great deal on their mobile devices for daily life. Even with all that now being seen however I will need a full clean install of 7 on the second case here now seeing both an upgrade to 10 and a clean install in order to really make the timing factor equal since the main machine is loaded up with a good number of startups. The second mini tower with only 4gb of memory makes for an excellent test machine there compared to the 16gb on the main case as well.
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  8.    15 Aug 2015 #88
    Join Date : Jul 2015
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    Windows 10 x64

    I see some folks saying that Windows 10 seems "stable" to them.

    Honestly, I don't see it myself. For me, I feel like I constantly have to walk on eggshells in Windows 10. It seems like something -- be it the operating system itself, the Start menu, the taskbar, or any number of apps -- is ready to crash.

    Now, that may be because I am making an actual effort to use the built-in apps. I have not uninstalled them; I am trying to use them like regular desktop apps and give feedback in the Feedback app.

    But the backend for the new app system in Windows 10 seems extremely buggy to me. Even when it doesn't crash, it seems to seize up or freeze. I've had a thousand times the problems with the Start menu in Windows 10 than I ever did in Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1. And I honestly believe that is because the Start menu in Windows 10 is built on the same universal-app platform that the new apps in Windows 10 are, unlike in the Start menu in Windows 7 and Windows 8 which used the standard Win32 backend.
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  9.    15 Aug 2015 #89
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Maine
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    Windows10Pro 64Bit

    Quote Originally Posted by jfreemont View Post
    I see some folks saying that Windows 10 seems "stable" to them.

    Honestly, I don't see it myself. For me, I feel like I constantly have to walk on eggshells in Windows 10. It seems like something -- be it the operating system itself, the Start menu, the taskbar, or any number of apps -- is ready to crash.

    Now, that may be because I am making an actual effort to use the built-in apps. I have not uninstalled them; I am trying to use them like regular desktop apps and give feedback in the Feedback app.

    But the backend for the new app system in Windows 10 seems extremely buggy to me. Even when it doesn't crash, it seems to seize up or freeze. I've had a thousand times the problems with the Start menu in Windows 10 than I ever did in Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1. And I honestly believe that is because the Start menu in Windows 10 is built on the same universal-app platform that the new apps in Windows 10 are, unlike in the Start menu in Windows 7 and Windows 8 which used the standard Win32 backend.
    Well I kinda agree with you sir, I don't think it is quite stable yet. But remember we all are "beta testers) for this new os, weather you want to be or not. I am used to this. kinda fun. I always make complete backups tho. I could re-install my windows 7 ultimate at anytime I want with no problems. This last update we got yesterday does seem to fix some of the bugs. This update did not give me any problems on re-booting last the last one before this one did. But I have had to reboot at least once a day to get windows 10 stable again. But....it does run better after a reboot....
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  10.    15 Aug 2015 #90
    Join Date : Jul 2015
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    Win7 X64

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Have you tried using the Compatibility troubleshooter when right clicking on the exe file for the MMSunset? Besides sometimes you can get an older app to run on 10 by using the "run as admin" option also available in the right click to get things going. Ran into a few things that needed it!

    The one thing about privacy settings I tend to agree was seen right before finally reaching the desktop the first time during the final stage of the set up where you can opt for either Express settings by default or go in and disable sharing location and other data with MS and 3rd parties. You go back in there later however just as easy to re-enble or disble things found in the "Start>Settings>Privacy-location-camera" settings with the on and off slider tabs now seen you simply click on.

    These type settings can easily be disabled but are included for things like beta testing and use in part by developers and others who are sharing data with MS. You might have seen them on the Tech Preview builds as well. The main reason why 8 and newer with 8.1 and now 10 the desktop takes longer to load is from seeing a slightly larger OS due to new features now being seen in addition to being able to "serve two masters" in that you can run 10 on the mobile/tablet platform as well as on the desktop.

    That takes up some file space in order to see two entirely different hardware platforms available as well as syncing mobile devices to interact with the desktop while on the go. But can offer quite a bit for those who rely a great deal on their mobile devices for daily life. Even with all that now being seen however I will need a full clean install of 7 on the second case here now seeing both an upgrade to 10 and a clean install in order to really make the timing factor equal since the main machine is loaded up with a good number of startups. The second mini tower with only 4gb of memory makes for an excellent test machine there compared to the 16gb on the main case as well.
    As for Microsoft Money Plus, I haven't tried in the last week or so, but I couldn't get it to work in compatibility mode or otherwise. Others have discussed registry hacks to get it going along with a patch that MS does not support. But I haven't tried that for concern over other problems it might cause in Win10. Right now, I've continued using it with Win7 on a secondary computer. (IMO, it was/is the best checkbook program there ever was).

    About the privacy settings, I've turned most of mine to the off position. But with Win10, there are other settings (such as telepathy) that cannot be turned off in this manner. It does appear Microsoft is being a bit too invasive with privacy in Win10, but of course I guess we all have to get over that if we choose to use Win10. MS wants data from their users and I don't think they will budge on this issue.

    What you said about the boot times makes sense, particularly since the OS has to see two different types of platforms when it loads. And fortunately, in my case, it doesn't take that much longer to boot Win10 versus Win7. The best upgrade I ever did was last year when I installed a new SSD in my older PC. It made it feel like a low end i5. So even now with Win10, the boot time is not bad--just a little longer than Win7.
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