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    Windows 11 Home
       #40

    Kari said:
    No, it does not.

    Arguments used are the same than users used when transitioning from Windows 98 to XP, and from XP to Vista / Windows 7.

    The only thing it speaks of, what is shows, is that for quite a many users, change is a negative thing. "I've always driven BMW 318, The old one is dying, it's no longer road safe, but I keep driving it. I don't want to get a new one because it looks different".

    Kari
    This is usually true. However, change just for change is not always a good thing. Especially if the change hides more information like the example above with the apps setting comparing the control panel with the settings panel. The new settings panel shows less information then the old one. The one new thing I do like is it can show applications based on the drive it is installed on.


    Otherwise, I think its a balance decision from microsoft. They are trying to make the OS more like a phone, because people who aren't as tech savvy usually somewhat (slightly) know how to navigate there phone settings a little. So they are trying to trim the fat to make it easy to uninstall something and get to it easier.
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  2. Posts : 488
    Windows 8 Pro x64
       #41

    jimbo45 said:
    Hi there

    Obviously if you are still using W8 you don't run complex apps on multi-monitors --e.g complex exploded 3-D Engineering / architectural blueprints, complex Stock exchange trading systems, etc --without a decent cascading menuing system these would be well nigh impossible to run.

    Cheers
    jimbo

    Nope - I do not. And if Windows 10 fulfills that need for you, then that's great :)
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  3. Posts : 668
    Win 10 pro
       #42

    Without the manual transmission win 10 just spoils all the fun:

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  5. Posts : 17,838
    Windows 10
       #44
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    3-Win-7Prox64 3-Win10Prox64 3-LinuxMint20.2
       #45

    Hi,
    With win-7 still at 25%+- I doubt ms is going to not extend security updates or at least if bad holes are found.
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  7. Posts : 488
    Windows 8 Pro x64
       #46

    And oddly enough, the new MS Edge is being release for Windows 7,
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       #47

    Jody Thornton said:
    And oddly enough, the new MS Edge is being release for Windows 7,

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    CP/M
       #48

    Arguments used are the same than users used when transitioning from Windows 98 to XP, and from XP to Vista / Windows 7.
    Nonsense.

    Compared to Win7, Win10 has the following (and many more) disadvantages:

    - it serves as advertising and spying platform although it is paid
    - rolling release concept; many feature and monthly updates are in alpha/prebeta stage
    - insane waas idea; it denies user to control his device (forced updates, inability to strip off defender, feature updates which ruin user esp. privacy settings, etc)
    - inconsistent user interface (bloatware metro apps, crippled "settings" app instead of control panel)
    - indeterministic & unpredictable behavior (nonworking defender exclusions, driver installations although they are disabled, pushed metro apps, changed user settings without notifying, etc)
    - violence against other programs (inability to run them, silent uninstallations)

    Any advantages... maybe storage spaces and recent directx, nothing more. (Dependency on cloud services will never be an advantage.)

    Summary: Win7 is an operating system. Win10 is software platform for manipulation with users and their data with some suppressed functions of operating system.

    The only thing it speaks of, what is shows, is that for quite a many users, change is a negative thing.
    Please give us one example of change to much worse state which is not a negative thing.

    And yes, many people (including me) will look for any way to get & share future Win7 patches (available to big paying customers) to keep their Win7 installations safe.
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  10. Posts : 488
    Windows 8 Pro x64
       #49

    Although I loathe Windows 10, I want to address a couple of points here about disadvantages:

    muchomurka said:
    it serves as advertising and spying platform although it is paid
    Actually, that's pretty much ALL software now. The old model of selling a software package/license isn't profitable any more. It only worked before because there were always new markets to penetrate. Now the software market is saturated, so software companies need to create new, ongoing sources of revenue. Subscriptions and/or free software is the answer. Software is now the conduit to providing services.

    muchomurka said:
    - rolling release concept; many feature and monthly updates are in alpha/prebeta stage
    Agreed! Satya Nadella made poor decisions about terminating the updates maintenance teams that were in place. Updates have caused problems for lots of hardware. So Kari would do poorly trying to argue that one away.

    muchomurka said:
    - insane waas idea; it denies user to control his device (forced updates, inability to strip off defender, feature updates which ruin user esp. privacy settings, etc)
    Microsoft wants everyone at the same update level (now let's forget about the quality of the updates for a moment - let's pretend that they're fine). I do agree that feature updates twice a year are a bit much, but security updates aren't something Microsoft should balk on. What they should do is test them more thoroughly before releasing in to the wild.

    As for privacy settings and what not, telemetry is what EVERY company uses to gain information regarding performance, customer preferences, market share, habits and the like, and although I don't really like it, I'm pretty sure that Microsoft uses the information for honourable purposes. Telemetry gathering is NOT going away. It's used in the bigger Linux distros, web sites, MacOS, iOS and Android. It's here to stay, because traditional advertising has become ineffective as radio and TV are dying.

    muchomurka said:
    - inconsistent user interface (bloatware metro apps, crippled "settings" app instead of control panel)
    That will sort itself out over time as all Settings applets are put into place. I really just wish that the window design stayed more like Windows 8x. It was flat, but had a somewhat more 3-D look with thicker frames and caption buttons.

    The major issue is that users (especially power users) misinterpret the agreement of terms that are in place with a software license. You never EVER own your copy of the software - you simply have been granted a license to use if under the terms set out by the Microsoft EULA. It's their software. When they want to withdraw support, change how a feature works, or stop a certain program from being used in a certain way under their OS, they can make those changes. It's actually ALWAYS been this way, but now, software companies can enforce the agreement.
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