RIP Windows 7

151tom · 22 Jan 2020

Porthos said:

I am all for that kind of use for any EOL OS. OFFLINE.

I just do not want to drive on the same internet highway with people using out of date unpatched versions of Windows. To me, it is like having drunk drivers on the road.

I see people using an unsupported OS online at a pub I frequent and other public establishments that have free wifi and either don't have a clue or don't care.

Andrew129260 · 23 Jan 2020

Porthos said:

I am all for that kind of use for any EOL OS. OFFLINE.

Porthos said:

I just do not want to drive on the same internet highway with people using out of date unpatched versions of Windows. To me, it is like having drunk drivers on the road.

151tom said:

I see people using an unsupported OS online at a pub I frequent and other public establishments that have free wifi and either don't have a clue or don't care.

All of this frequently happens. I have lost counts how many times I have seen peoples pc's where windows update isn't working for some reason and they have no clue either. Windows is always scary for security for the average person. Which is probably why microsoft added more dialog and popups for windows update to try to get people to check it or do it. I still frequently see pc's on windows 10 but they are on 1803 or some other unsupported version. Also don't get me started on the useless "windows defender". It gets disabled and stays disabled if they have a trial version of any antivirus on their computer. Where it promptly expires after a month or so and they stay unprotected. See it all the time where people buy new pc's and don't know or even understand they have a trial version of mcafee or norton and don't uninstall it. So it just sits there after it expires. Because people don't read the popups and the ones that do don't understand them. At least when windows defender is on the protection rate is pretty decent now. But it's getting it to stay on that's the problem.

jimbo45 · 23 Jan 2020

Hi there

@Porthos

I'm not sure why somebody running say an infected computer should make much difference to YOUR machine --if it's properly protected -- It's not like Drunk Drivers on a highway -- If your computer is protected properly then it's isolated from the rest --- technically every time you use a web browser you are using routes / traffic nodes etc where there at any one time must be loads of computers throughout the whole public Internet system running some type of malware / viruses. So this is akin -yes drunk drivers out there but they can't use the same route as you.

There's so much B/S these days talked about HOME security on computers -- It's so far different on latest versions of W10 as to be on another galaxy. People are still thinking in XP/W7/W8/W8.1 terms -- those systems had Windows security (not that there was much of it) looking like a total joke. It's totally different now.

Have all the proper settings in W10 with the real time protection also enabled -- and DELIBERATELY TRY AND INFECT YOUR MACHINE without disabling anything -- (take a back up first though) -- and I can tell you it's not easy !!!!!!

Cheers
jimbo

Porthos · 23 Jan 2020

jimbo45 said:

Hi there

@Porthos

I'm not sure why somebody running say an infected computer should make much difference to YOUR machine --if it's properly protected -- It's not like Drunk Drivers on a highway -- If your computer is protected properly then it's isolated from the rest --- technically every time you use a web browser you are using routes / traffic nodes etc where there at any one time must be loads of computers throughout the whole public Internet system running some type of malware / viruses. So this is akin -yes drunk drivers out there but they can't use the same route as you.

There's so much B/S these days talked about HOME security on computers -- It's so far different on latest versions of W10 as to be on another galaxy. People are still thinking in XP/W7/W8/W8.1 terms -- those systems had Windows security (not that there was much of it) looking like a total joke. It's totally different now.

Have all the proper settings in W10 with the real time protection also enabled -- and DELIBERATELY TRY AND INFECT YOUR MACHINE without disabling anything -- (take a back up first though) -- and I can tell you it's not easy !!!!!!

Cheers
jimbo

Unpatched infected machines can become botnets and cause issues for the web as a whole.

Trust_No1 · 24 Jan 2020

jimbo45 said:

Hi there.

so was the Old Steam locomotive --- things move on --nothing wrong though in riding those old things for nostalgic reasons or using an Old OS if it does what you want individually --- however either of those things aren't suitable any more (either for mass transit or running secure corporate enterprise workstations etc).

cheers
jimbo

well I hardly qualify as corporate enterprise, so see no compelling reason to switch. I am not going to switch, just for the sake of switching. Some companies are still running Windows 95. I think people should use what works for them, and not mandated by what others consider outdated locomotives.

I do tire so, from all those who know what is best for me. Next someone will be telling me to switch to linux.

jimbo45 · 24 Jan 2020

Porthos said:

Unpatched infected machines can become botnets and cause issues for the web as a whole.

Hi there.

@Porthos

You've just demolished your own argument !!!! So unless you can ensure every single machine using the Internet is uninfected then everybody will get problems (your argument).

What I am saying is that obviously the entire Internet isn't Virus free BUT if you've protected your own machine properly then it really doesn't matter what happens on other people's machines --- unless the entire interplanetary Internet seizes up -- not a very likely possibility --even a remote one.

@Trust_No1

Use what you like and works best for you -- I really doubt though if any major organisation was really using Windows 95 any more -- especially if they were dealing in any sort of reliable e-commerce -- apart from the fact of hacking etc.

it's just that the financial systems all rely on https protocol these days (certainly not even thinkable on Windows 95 --in fact it's barely supported on XP and on other browsers on that system other than IE) and they'd have no access to any of the increasing number of Internet sites (and home users on ISP's) using IPV6 protocol.

That's why I said that things move on --if you don't need or use those --then fine.

Cheers
jimbo

Kari · 24 Jan 2020

What makes me extremely worried, and sad, is how the the tinfoil hat brigade spreads their untrue, invalid and false information. Here's a good example, a reply my esteemed, greatly respected fellow member @swarfega got to his question:

swarfega said:

What are you worried about with telemetry. It's mostly things like which apps you use and how long for, that sort of stats.

wolfie138 said:

because I read this
Should You Disable Windows 10 Telemetry? - Smart Buyer
So what exactly does Microsoft capture and transmit, and how often? According to InvestmentWatch, Windows 10 transmits the following data back to the company:

Typed text on keyboard sent every 30 minutes
Transmits anything you say into a microphone
Transcripts of things you say while using Cortana
Index of all media files on your computer
When your webcam is first enabled, 35mb of data
Telemetry data

the red bits are what concern me.

Everything the member @wolfie138 tells is wrong, absolutely wrong and false information. To put it short, he / she lies. The source for his / her wrong and false information is an obscure Czech site, the English translation coming from a clickbait site A Traffic Analysis of Windows 10 – Investment Watch.

This is a good example of something I have never understood: how easily some people accept everything they see or read on Internet as facts, like in this case. "Oh, I read it on Internet, it must be true!".

Geeks, grow up. Your superstitious beliefs do not make things true. Microsoft is not “spying” on users. The telemetry Microsoft collects is to make Windows better, and to improve the Windows user experience. Microsoft will not call your ex if you called her a stupid cow in a Skype chat with a friend. Microsoft will not print your most embarrassing social media photos and put them on display on Redmond campus to give their personnel a good laugh. Microsoft will not report you to the authorities if you mention in an email that you lied in your tax declaration.

Seriously, it's time to put the tinfoil hats away and enjoy Windows!

A week after Windows 7 EOL, Tinfoil Hat Brigade is in DEFCON 2 – Win10.Guru

Kari

jimbo45 · 24 Jan 2020

Hi there @Kari

there's so much B/S around these days --I agree -- If Ms did even 1/90 th of the things reported by some it would be in court so fast on all sorts data protection issues -- and I despair also when people believe things like key strokes are transmitted to Ms every 30 minutes -- people who both write that stuff out and also those that believe it should be never allowed near a computer again and certainly not on the Internet.

I really have no problem with companies attempting to get sensible feedback from their users so that the products can be improved / made more reliable / and certainly enjoyed more by the users.

Too much paranoia around -- one area where loads of people still haven't cottoned on to yet is in the Modern area of Home Computer security -- totally different from those poorly secured systems like W7/W8/W8.1

I've often asked people who seem paranoid about these things on W10 to take a backup and then deliberately TRY and infect their computer with WD and the real time protection left switched on -- Never a single answer --so it's NOT easy especially for people not looking for "Piratical material" and dubious websites.

Cheers
jimbo

swarfega · 24 Jan 2020

@Kari, Nothing I said was tinfoil, all I said was

What are you worried about with telemetry. It's mostly things like which apps you use and how long for, that sort of stats.

. Where's the tinfoil in that.

Kari · 24 Jan 2020

swarfega said:

@Kari, Nothing I said was tinfoil, all I said was . Where's the tinfoil in that.

The tinfoil hat reveals itself when the member replied you telling for instance that every keystroke he / she makes is sent to Microsoft. That is, as you know, not true.

That's paranoia, not fact, not happening. Tinfoil hat.

Kari