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  1. Posts : 3,080
    W10 Pro + W10 Preview
       #120

    Same problem with AMD graphics on shutdown....Live videos working properly....YouTube also.
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  2. Posts : 11,171
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #121

    Hi folks

    @dencal

    I tested again --this time disabling the PCI graphics card and using the standard internal VGA graphics on the mobo -- worked OK but using VGA at 640 X 480 on large screens is not something I think one needs not to want to do often --note this device is a server so these things are designed to be normally run headless or in text mode (no GUI) -- or at least from an external device such as a remote laptop etc. In text mode of course the server built in vga is OK which is why it was there in the first place. However there was a place for an additional pci card on this server so that's where I installed a graphics card which was fine until this latest Windows build.

    So to Windows developers --have a look at the ahcp / power control things and graphics areas of kernels.

    I don't think it's only a problem though with Windows -- some of the latest Linux kernels also have problems in this area -- a get around to those using Linux Hosts and Windows VMs is to forget the NVIDIA etc drivers and use the Nouveau generic ones, also avoid MESA/DRI which controls 3D, hardware acceleration etc etc, and use xorg instead of wayland for main video driver.

    Seems in these issues Windows isn't unique in having these problems

    Is it hardware is just too complex these days or were the previous generation better developers -- now that's surely going to throw gasoline on to the fire !!!!.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. Posts : 2,491
    Windows Insider Fast Ring LatestKUuuntu 20.10
       #122

    One of the problems with trying to figure out (can't even call it debug) this or analogous problems it that there is no way that I know that an ordinary, or even extraordcinary, can see behind the shutdown screen as one can in Linux by a quick edit of the grub.cfg file. At least we'd know which service is hanging. Microsoft could open-source the Windows kernel - but then it wouldn't be Microsoft would it? BTW I don't think the video drivers are the culprit as the shutdown hang occurs in VMware VMs, with or without VMware Tools installed.
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  4. Posts : 46,476
    Windows 10 Home 64bit 21H1 and insider builds
       #123

    martyfelker said:
    One of the problems with trying to figure out (can't even call it debug) this or analogous problems it that there is no way that I know that an ordinary, or even extraordcinary, can see behind the shutdown screen as one can in Linux by a quick edit of the grub.cfg file. At least we'd know which service is hanging. Microsoft could open-source the Windows kernel - but then it wouldn't be Microsoft would it? BTW I don't think the video drivers are the culprit as the shutdown hang occurs in VMware VMs, with or without VMware Tools installed.
    Interesting my VBox installation shuts down just fine. A couple of builds ago it was very slow but not this one.
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  5. Posts : 2,491
    Windows Insider Fast Ring LatestKUuuntu 20.10
       #124

    I have not yet tried it with VBox. I will try it after I update another VM to 18999. I do have confidence that thely probably have solved this problem already - we will see if we get a new build this week. But they might not even mention the fix in the release notes - have they acknowledged it anywhere?
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  6. Posts : 46,476
    Windows 10 Home 64bit 21H1 and insider builds
       #125

    martyfelker said:
    I have not yet tried it with VBox. I will try it after I update another VM to 18999. I do have confidence that thely probably have solved this problem already - we will see if we get a new build this week. But they might not even mention the fix in the release notes - have they acknowledged it anywhere?
    Can't remember where but I saw a post that MS was investigating.
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  7. Posts : 2,154
    WINDOWS 10 Pro x64 build 19042.685
       #126

    martyfelker said:
    ...have they acknowledged it anywhere?
    The shutdown or restart problem appears in the list of known issues.

    martyfelker said:
    I do have confidence that they probably have solved this problem already - we will see if we get a new build this week
    Most likely the fix will not be in the next build.
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  8. Posts : 1,602
    W10 Enterprise
       #127

    All working fine for me and Hyper V shuts down and restarts with no issues.
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  9. Posts : 11,171
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #128

    techquest said:
    All working fine for me and Hyper V shuts down and restarts with no issues.
    Hi there
    what video cards etc do you have

    some of these problems do actually relate to the video drivers

    I'm sure though these will get fixed

    what's surprising is how little problems there are in the 1909 soon to be RP'd 418 Windows build. Not a smidgen of a problem there. (Either native or as a VM on either Linux or W7 host).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. Posts : 1,602
    W10 Enterprise
       #129

    jimbo45 said:
    Hi there
    what video cards etc do you have

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Hi jimbo

    Adapter Description Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 on laptop

    Whatever is being used as stock for Hyper V

    others but machines not on at the moment

    Regards

    Tech
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