New Windows 10 Insider Preview Fast+Skip Build 18941 (20H1) - July 18 Insider

Wynona · 20 Jul 2019

Steven Campoli said:

Agreed, I learned being an insider, it's normal to have bugs. Thank God we can complaint about them here!

I don't complain about the bugs. It's counterproductive as far as I'm concerned. I find my Insider Preview time is much better spent looking for answers and workarounds. And if I can't find what I need, I live with what I have until Microsoft has had time to fix what's wrong. Seems to me we've become a society of instant gratification.

I'm a fairly good cook, but not everything I make turns out the best. If my family raked me over the coals as much as folks here rake Microsoft over the coals, I'd give up and never cook another meal.

Why complain about a product that has been free to us since late 2014? That's almost five years!

magilla · 20 Jul 2019

Wynona said:

I don't complain about the bugs. It's counterproductive as far as I'm concerned. I find my Insider Preview time is much better spent looking for answers and workarounds. And if I can't find what I need, I live with what I have until Microsoft has had time to fix what's wrong. Seems to me we've become a society of instant gratification.

I'm a fairly good cook, but not everything I make turns out the best. If my family raked me over the coals as much as folks here rake Microsoft over the coals, I'd give up and never cook another meal.

Why complain about a product that has been free to us since late 2014? That's almost five years!

Agree, Wynona—I get upset with MS from time to time, but we are here to test builds and sometime I have been unable to download builds but I still am an insider and still enjoy testing!

IronZorg89 · 20 Jul 2019

Another change from Microsoft in the horizon:

Say Goodbye to Windows Defender (getting renamed):

Say Goodbye to Windows Defender (getting renamed) - gHacks Tech News

Ztruker · 20 Jul 2019

Brink posted it about 8 hours ago: Windows Defender getting renamed to Microsoft Defender

kado897 · 21 Jul 2019

Wynona said:

How dare they not give us Insider Builds for free! I mean, really! Sheesh!

Hmmm, what's wrong with what I just said? Thirty lashes with a wet noodle for me!

Back in 2014, Microsoft announced the Insider Program, everyone on Windows 7 and 8.xx got a free copy of Windows 10. I had three or four computers with Windows 7 and 8.xx on them; I joined the Insider Program and got Windows 10 Preview on all of 'em. Thus far, I've never been charged for an Insider Build. The last Windows OS I paid for was Windows 8.xx. So, I think I got my money's worth.

IIRC (and I could well not) up until June 2015 everyone on the planet was able to trade in their Windows 7 or 8.xx for Windows 10.

Every so often, I find an article that says Windows 7 or 8.xx can still be traded in for Windows 10.

Still can. I did it myself a couple of months ago.

steupz · 21 Jul 2019

Honestly I don't do much Insider testing or commenting on the Hub. I just download and do a clean install because it's a habit now. I use it on an old system so there are great things I will never ever experience. The last thing that got be excited was the tabbed windows and they quickly got rid of that.
I suppose I can say I am testing clean installs on old systems and they have gone remarkably well.

dencal · 21 Jul 2019

cereberus said:

Or as Harry S T said "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire".

Your question refers to three separate computers with identical setups...sorry cannot make sense latter part of your quote.

In my case the last two released flights on one single computer have failed to UPDATE install and reverted to the previous iteration, not once but twice, yet on the third try have successfully installed even though their quoted installation notes say this is not possible.

This after spending many frustrating hours trying to install what should be a stone cold requisite, then to read stupid quote, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire", I find particularly galling.

jimbo45 · 21 Jul 2019

Hi there.

I'm still amazed that people are complaining so much about these skip ahead builds as if they are normal Retail public builds.

The whole point of testing in significant numbers is to try the OS out on as varied a set of hardware as possible under all sorts of user conditions (idiotic users as well as sensible ones). There's no way a company can test even a small fraction of all the possible combinations of hardware that windows runs on and the devices that people use.

I do though think that legitimate complaints can be made -- especially when features are advertised as being fixed or even improved and they don't work even as well as on the previous build that the new build is intended to replace.

I wonder how many people here install these builds and hope to run them as production quality machines -- and then go bonkers when the system fails for some unexpected reason.

These by their nature are TEST BUILDS and can therefore be expected to throw up problems.

Where Ms needs to sort things out is in the seemingly problematic WU method of updating -- while UUPDUMP generally works it's not 100% foolproof -- although I've never had a problem with it. Would be interesting to get some sort of stats on people who have had a fail with WU and success with UUPDUMP and numbers who can't get the build(s) to install at all whatever method they choose.

I know AMD has some problems with RYZEN hardware currently so that could also be causing extra grief -- these CPU's though also have problems on newer Linux builds so some problems might not be due to Windows defects.

Cheers
jimbo

slicendice · 21 Jul 2019

dencal said:

Your question refers to three separate computers with identical setups...sorry cannot make sense latter part of your quote.

In my case the last two released flights on one single computer have failed to UPDATE install and reverted to the previous iteration, not once but twice, yet on the third try have successfully installed even though their quoted installation notes say this is not possible.

This after spending many frustrating hours trying to install what should be a stone cold requisite, then to read stupid quote, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire", I find particularly galling.

Heheh, if it was only beta builds with issues. Even RTM builds has these same unpredictable behaviors on 100% identical hardware. Who to blame? You can setup the system 10 times in a row from scratch and every time you get different result even though neither hardware, software nor installation method changed at any time.

techquest · 21 Jul 2019

No matter which way you look at this there are always folk who like to complain. In defense of Microsoft If there are 10M insiders then the number of complaints seen in this thread seem to be minuscule in comparison. I can only say that since becoming an insider I have had very few issues and those that I get I see as a challenge and something different to do. When we signed up we all new we were getting ourselves into uncharted waters and anyone can get out of here if they find it a challenge to far.