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  1. Wynona's Avatar
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       #180

    johngalt said: View Post
    I have most - I skipped ME and I have a Beta version of Vista that I got from a M$ conference, and I also skipped 8. I paid for Windows 3.1, every iteration of 95 / 98 that I had to, and 2000. I bought XP once and then found the TechNet program, which I continued to subscribe to until its demise, which is how I have all those extra Windows 7 keys that I used to upgrade numerous VMs and all my physical machines to WinX.

    I have Windows 3.1 and 3.11 and the original 95 all on 3.44 MB Floppies. Even managed to retain the box with the diskettes during the move
    I had TechNet too, and had enough Windows 7 and 8.xx to upgrade to Windows 10. Then there were the betas; you had to apply and it was an honor to get to beta test. Now, with Windows 10, they've opened up testing to the whole world!

    ME was pretty good as long as it was run on current (at the time) hardware. It's a shame, but around that time, hardware was getting better and ME just couldn't keep up. I built a new system and installed ME on it; bad mistake. Then there was the disaster called Windows 8.0!

    We moved from Houston, Texas to Livingston, Texas around 2000 and extraneous hardware and software got left behind. Then, a couple years ago, we came to Arkansas and more of it got left behind. Over the years, I've given a lot of "parts"
    away when a friend needed this or that.

    I just wonder where it will all end; I'm hearing more and more about Windows as a Service.
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  2.    #181

    johngalt said: View Post
    Uh, the fact that they allowed you to roll over your Technical Preview keys into full fledged licensed Windows 10 keys does not mean they gave it to you for free. You still had to DL and activate and run it. In a kind-hearted gesture, they allowed those keys to be used to upgrade to the RTM build (I remember it differently, in that I had to install Windows 10 cleanly after hte TP, as upgrading was not allowed, and I had to use my existing Windows 7 key to install it - but I may have done that on my own).. Which, again, was a free upgrade to Windows 10, not a free license for Windows 10.



    Please stop the FUD. The did not give anyone free Windows 10 keys. They did allow free upgrades to Windows 10 final RTM, by allowing people to tie those keys to their Microsoft accounts, which then were expanded under the new digital licensing scheme. And the allowing of folks to upgrade from TP 2 to RTM was inherently the same as allowing those with WIn7/8 to WinX RTM - which you can still do. And if you got a key from the Insider program prior to the original release of Windows 10 in 2015, that means it was a TP - so see above.

    And I'll bet even money that if you had taken that key and never installed the TPs / Betas, and then tried to use the key on your first Windows 10 RTM install after the release, it would have failed.

    The key word in everything I have written is the word upgrade. And that seems to be lost in translation, or something, because more than a few people are ignoring that fact.
    This is the closet info that I could find where MS in a round about way mentions about using the early Insider builds without using a Window 7 or 8 key. Scroll down to the part I want to opt out. I and many others did get to Install the first release of Windows 10 pro and not need to use a key for Windows 7 or 8.
    Upcoming changes to Windows 10 Insider Preview builds [UPDATED 6/22] | Windows Experience Blog
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  3. johngalt's Avatar
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       #182

    They did not give you Windows 10 for free. You installed and tested a build, or a couple of builds, or several builds, starting from Technical Preview 1 (or even before that, such as with leaked builds 9970).

    You performed a service for them, In return, they provided you with a key that would activate Windows 10 retail. You can just as easily find the press release that they made about the beta testing.

    It was not for free. It was for services rendered.

    And as Wynona mentions just before you, you had to apply to be a tester. it was a more complex manner than with the Vista tests (go to the website, download the .ISO and apply the key posted online at the site for anyone to use).
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  4. johngalt's Avatar
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       #183

    Foudn a good write up:

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...6ae469b?page=3

    The blog post that it links to does not redirect correctly - I'm searchign for all of Gabe's blogs, seems M$ has (re)moved them for some reason.

    But read the comments:

    Thank you for pointing out that the original post has been updated!

    So Microsoft at the end of the day is NOT giving away Windows 10 to Insiders... Unless they continue being beta testers.

    I recommend everybody to read the updated blog post at

    http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwin...review-builds/

    So the caveat is that if you keep on being a beta tester you will get Windows 10 and all subsequent new beta builds. But if you opt out you still need to have a valid Windows 8 or 7 license in order to receive Windows 10 for free. If that is not the case you need to 'acquire' (as Microsoft say to mean buy) a Windows 10 license.

    So the whole online media and myself were wrong in interpreting the original announcement. And those who commented on this thread that Microsoft was not giving away Windows 10 to Insiders were correct.

    As a final comment this is not the first time that Microsoft creates false expectations on this topic within the community, and this is not good.

    Personally I will upgrade for free on my Windows 8.1 and 7 systems via the regular free upgrade offer valid for one year (for all users, not related to being Insiders) and I will continue to be part of the Insider Program on my test system.

    For more clarity I am pasting from the updated blog post:

    <begin of quote>

    “I want to continue as a Windows Insider!” If you want to continue as a Windows Insider past 7/29 there is nothing you need to do. You’re already opted in and receiving builds in the Fast or Slow ring depending upon your selection. This is prerelease software and is activated with a prerelease key. Each individual build will expire after a time, but you’ll continue to receive new builds so by the time an older prerelease build expires you’ll have received a new one. Since we’re continuing the Windows Insider Program you’ll be able to continue receiving builds and those builds will continue to be activated under the terms of the Windows Insider Program. We provide ISOs for these builds for recovery from any significant problems, but they are still pre-release software. As part of the program we’ll upgrade Insiders to what is for all intents and purposes the same build as what other customers will get on 7/29, but that will be just another build for Insiders, and those who stay in the program will simply get the next build after as well.

    “I want to opt out of the Windows Insider Program on 7/29.” If you decide to opt-out of the program and upgrade to the 7/29 build you will be subject to exactly the same terms and conditions that govern the offer* that was extended to all Genuine Windows 7 and 8.1 customers. This is not a path to attain a license for Windows XP or Windows Vista systems. If your system upgraded from a Genuine Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 license it will remain activated, but if not, you will be required to roll back to your previous OS version or acquire a new Windows 10 license. If you do not roll back or acquire a new license the build will eventually expire.

    <end of quote>
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  5.    #184

    johngalt said: View Post
    They did not give you Windows 10 for free. You installed and tested a build, or a couple of builds, or several builds, starting from Technical Preview 1 (or even before that, such as with leaked builds 9970).

    You performed a service for them, In return, they provided you with a key that would activate Windows 10 retail. You can just as easily find the press release that they made about the beta testing.

    It was not for free. It was for services rendered.

    And as Wynona mentions just before you, you had to apply to be a tester. it was a more complex manner than with the Vista tests (go to the website, download the .ISO and apply the key posted online at the site for anyone to use).
    I'm done with this subject. You can believe what you want I really don't care.
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  6. thewizardoz's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 Insider Preview Build 18875.1000 20H1
       #185

    Winuser said: View Post
    They know about the problem and decided not to fix it before they released a new build. How can one go forward if the darn thing won't even install?
    Agreed.
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  7.    #186

    thewizardoz said: View Post
    Agreed.
    What about the rest of us, my installed without a hitch ?
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  8. thewizardoz's Avatar
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       #187

    DooGie said: View Post
    Now there's a post full of vitriol if ever I saw one
    Vitriol?? Sounds more like commonsense to me Wynona
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  9. kado897's Avatar
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       #188

    thewizardoz said: View Post
    Vitriol?? Sounds more like commonsense to me Wynona
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  10. thewizardoz's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 Insider Preview Build 18875.1000 20H1
       #189

    CountMike said: View Post
    What about the rest of us, my installed without a hitch ?
    Clearly... she is not talking about "the rest of us" whose install(s) go without a hitch!! She is talking about those/us who have real problems with installs sometimes.
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