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  1.    #160

    smactilactus said: View Post
    By that logic, the pharmaceutical companies who rate as some of the highest valuations in business, but also kill millions every year, are doing things right as well. But we all know that this is not the case. So not trying to be a dick, but that is NOT the measure of doing something right...
    I agree. Making money doesn't mean they are doing something right. Just means they found a way to make a profit. El Chapo made a ton of money but it doesn't mean he did something right.
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  2.    #161

    Winuser said: View Post
    I agree. Making money doesn't mean they are doing something right. Just means they found a way to make a profit. El Chapo made a ton of money but it doesn't mean he did something right.
    One peddled software the other narcotics. One's surrounded by bars of steal and the other by bars of gold. Now if that ain't smart.......
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  3.    #162

    techquest said: View Post
    One peddled software the other narcotics. One's surrounded by bars of steal and the other by bars of gold. Now if that ain't smart.......
    If IBM hadn't made a stupid decision I wonder where Bill Gates and MS would be today?
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  4.    #163

    Winuser said: View Post
    If IBM hadn't made a stupid decision I wonder where Bill Gates and MS would be today?
    The world is full of stupid decisions, always has been and always will be. British Telecom, called GPO, General Post Office, in its earlier days, decided in its infinite wisdom the transistor was a passing fad that would never take off, so they stuck with valves to do the switching in central offices.
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       #164

    Winuser said: View Post
    Yes I did volunteer to be a tester. MS no longer gives away the Insider builds for free. They want us to volunteer for free to test the new builds we should at least be able to install it. One build is understandable but when MS states that they not only know about the problem but what is causing it they should fix it before releasing a new build. I don't have a problem with some of the bugs not being fixed before the next release but not being able to install two builds in a row IMHO is ridiculous.
    Incorrect. More below.

    Wynona said: View Post
    How dare they not give us Insider Builds for free! I mean, really! Sheesh!

    Hmmm, what's wrong with what I just said? Thirty lashes with a wet noodle for me!

    Back in 2014, Microsoft announced the Insider Program, everyone on Windows 7 and 8.xx got a free copy of Windows 10. I had three or four computers with Windows 7 and 8.xx on them; I joined the Insider Program and got Windows 10 Preview on all of 'em. Thus far, I've never been charged for an Insider Build. The last Windows OS I paid for was Windows 8.xx. So, I think I got my money's worth.

    IIRC (and I could well not) up until June 2015 everyone on the planet was able to trade in their Windows 7 or 8.xx for Windows 10.

    Every so often, I find an article that says Windows 7 or 8.xx can still be traded in for Windows 10.
    This, for one. You can still convert Win 7/8 licenses to WinX for free.

    Wynona said: View Post
    I don't complain about the bugs. It's counterproductive as far as I'm concerned. I find my Insider Preview time is much better spent looking for answers and workarounds. And if I can't find what I need, I live with what I have until Microsoft has had time to fix what's wrong. Seems to me we've become a society of instant gratification.

    I'm a fairly good cook, but not everything I make turns out the best. If my family raked me over the coals as much as folks here rake Microsoft over the coals, I'd give up and never cook another meal.

    Why complain about a product that has been free to us since late 2014? That's almost five years!
    This for another.

    magilla said: View Post
    Agree, Wynona—I get upset with MS from time to time, but we are here to test builds and sometime I have been unable to download builds but I still am an insider and still enjoy testing!
    Exactly!

    slicendice said: View Post
    Heheh, if it was only beta builds with issues. Even RTM builds has these same unpredictable behaviors on 100% identical hardware. Who to blame? You can setup the system 10 times in a row from scratch and every time you get different result even though neither hardware, software nor installation method changed at any time.
    And that was my point earlier - We know Microsoft releases software that has bugs. To the public. For general consumption. So why expect the Insider program to be bug free?

    techquest said: View Post
    No matter which way you look at this there are always folk who like to complain. In defense of Microsoft If there are 10M insiders then the number of complaints seen in this thread seem to be minuscule in comparison. I can only say that since becoming an insider I have had very few issues and those that I get I see as a challenge and something different to do. When we signed up we all new we were getting ourselves into uncharted waters and anyone can get out of here if they find it a challenge to far.
    And this.

    Winuser said: View Post
    I'm not talking about being able to upgrade from Windows 7 or 8 to Windows 10 for free. I'm talking about needing a activated version of Windows to join the Insider Program. For example if someone wants to legally dual boot Windows 10 and the Insider version then they need two licenses.When the Insider Program first started those of us that joined could download and install the Insider version of Windows 10 Pro and it would activate without the need of a previous version of Windows.
    @Kari answers this below. But that is the extent of the free-ness of Windows 10. Otherwise, nowhere has Microsoft offered Windows 10 as a free software like Linux. Nowhere. Upgrade? Yes. Free? No.

    Winuser said: View Post
    The way I see it MS will trade you a licensed version of Windows 10 for your licensed copy of Windows 7 or 8. If it truly was free Windows 10 could be installed and activated on a new computer without needing a license from a older version.
    Again, they never said it was free. They said upgrades were free. You're trying to apply an attribute that was never applicable.

    techquest said: View Post
    Guess Microsoft's latest $1.05 Trillion valuation tells them they must be doing something right!
    This is answered quite nicely below - the valuation is from a number of sources, not a single one source (i.e. Desktop OS sales).

    slicendice said: View Post
    Currently we are all Guinea Pigs no matter if we are Insiders or not. When a new Windows version is declared ready for Business, the Guinea Pig Program is or should be over for that particular version.
    Ha! You and I (and everyone else in this thread) knows better than that - how many times has M$ had to backtrack on "business-ready" software because it broke something? More than I can count.

    Kari said: View Post
    That is simply not true.

    Digital license means that your hardware setup (read: computer) is licensed for a specific edition of Windows 10. Each and every installation, regardless of the version and language of that same edition is automatically activated and licensed.

    A practical example: this "workhorse" laptop of mine is currently running Windows 10 PRO EN-GB edition, Insider Preview build 18941. That's what installed on physical disk. In addition I run Finnish, Swedish and German Insider builds 18041 from native boot virtual hard disks, and the GA version 1903 release in Swedish from another partition.

    Altogether, my boot menu offers me a choice of 5 Windows 10 installations. Whatever OS I select to boot is always activated, with one single digital license.

    Attachment 240845

    And, before you start splitting the hair, this is completely legal and accordance to EULA. The Windows 10 digital license gives you right to use the licensed edition on that specific hardware.

    Kari
    This, in its entirety.

    smactilactus said: View Post
    Actually I'm not so sure that is right. I had massive problems updating 18936, but none of those problems showed up when updating 18941. I think M$ should focus more on the important fundamental things, and spend less time on ridiculous periferal things, like emoji's. JMHO.
    Well, in their defense (and who'd have thought I'd be defending M$!) Emojis are not the *only* thing they are putting out. And I'm pretty positive that the team focusing on emojis is not the sole dev team working on Windows 10 - not by a long shot.

    However, I do have to agree that that is such a trivial inclusion that, IMO, would have 0 issues being incorporated, that making a big deal about it makes the company look trivial also.

    techquest said: View Post
    Couldn't agree more, surely it's a no-brainer that emoji's come way down the list in the scheme of things. But it's come a long way since November 10, 1983.
    So true!

    smactilactus said: View Post
    By that logic, the pharmaceutical companies who rate as some of the highest valuations in business, but also kill millions every year, are doing things right as well. But we all know that this is not the case. So not trying to be a dick, but that is NOT the measure of doing something right...
    Well, Big Pharma valuation is a lot more limited, in that they have a very few, limited streams to obtain valuation from, versus a software giant like M$. But then we start getting into corporate umbrellas, and stocks, and all sorts of other things that are not really germane to this discussion.

    Winuser said: View Post
    I don't think MS would see much of a effect if they had continued to give away Insider builds. Most home user buy OEM computers that have Windows preinstalled. My first Insider build was a free version of Windows 10 Pro. The motherboard died and so did my free version. Both of my Insider Builds now are activated by the OEM version that came preinstalled. That is why I have one Pro version(desktop) and one home version(laptop).
    You're still making the wrong assertion - they never gave away the Insider builds - ever - every one of us here had a valid Windows 7 or Windows 8 or OEM Windows 10 license to begin with. They didn't say "Here is Windows 10, download it while you can and be done with it."

    My first Windows 10 install was on TP2. It was well after that that M$ announced that we would have a 1 year period to upgrade Win7/8 to 10. I made extensive use of that with my TechNet licenses. Others did as well. Others took their OEM Win 7/8 licenses and upgraded. And folks are still doing this successfully today.

    When M$ changed the licensing scheme, they extended it to the way @Kari described above, and published this as fact. They did not give WinX away - they allowed folks to upgrade for free. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Winuser said: View Post
    If IBM hadn't made a stupid decision I wonder where Bill Gates and MS would be today?
    Same bad decision that ATT made with UNIX?
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  6.    #165

    Winuser said: View Post
    My first Insider build was a free version of Windows 10 Pro. The motherboard died and so did my free version.
    Strange. I got 2 free copies of 10 Pro when I started with Insider and kept them through motherboard changes on both computers. Had to rely on Activation Troubleshooter on one, but both are still activated (Fast on one and Skippy now on the other). Even though they don't have expiration dates when final versions are installed, I'm guessing failure to keep them on the Insider program would result in Windows vanishing after awhile.
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       #166

    techquest said: View Post
    The world is full of stupid decisions, always has been and always will be. British Telecom, called the Post Office in its earlier days, decided in its infinite wisdom the transistor was a passing fad that would never take off, so they stuck with valves to do the switching in central offices.
    Most of their swithchgear was mechanical at that time.
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       #167

    johngalt said: View Post
    You're still making the wrong assertion - they never gave away the Insider builds - ever - every one of us here had a valid Windows 7 or Windows 8 or OEM Windows 10 license to begin with. They didn't say "Here is Windows 10, download it while you can and be done with it."
    Actually that is not true. I had two technical previews (Win 10 Pro) running in VBox VMs (on Win 7 Home) that were activated later with a digital licence and I am still running them on a different Win 10 home. The Win 7 was later upgraded separately.
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  9.    #168

    kado897 said: View Post
    Most of their swithchgear was mechanical at that time.
    Yes, so they went from strowger and valves to reed relays and bypassed the world of the diode and transistor. Would like to have had 5 minutes with the team that made that decision.
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  10. johngalt's Avatar
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       #169

    Read my reply with regards to changing the licensing and expanding it.
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