Known and Resolved issues for Windows 10 May 2019 Update version 1903

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  1. Bree's Avatar
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    10 Home x64 (1903) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #280

    dustymars said: View Post
    ...The last Win-10 1809 Desktop took two hours just to update that version, then I used the tool to update to 1903 and after four hours it finally completed. That is not an efficient process...

    Microsoft have optimized the windows update 'Feature update' process for minimum download size....

    Bree said:
    ...it would be expected to to take a little longer, because it uses the Unified Update Platform (UUP). This is designed to reduce the download size of an update by only downloading the changes, not the full set of files as are used in the ISO.

    Microsoft said:
    Differential download packages rely on re-using files on your current OS to reconstruct the newer OS. This could include copying files as-is that have not changed between builds, or it could involve applying “binary deltas”¯ or “diffs”¯ to old files to generate newer files. Differential download packages are smaller and can take a shorter amount of time to download.
    An update on Unified Update Platform (UUP) for Windows 10
    How long does the 1903 upgrade take using Windows Update?

    The fastest way to get a Feature Update is to download the ISO, mount it, then perform an in-place upgrade. As I said in the post above....

    Bree said:
    ...what would take less than two hours with an ISO (I know, because I have previously used the 1903 ISO on this machine) took over four and a half hours via Window Update. I can't say I'm that impressed. At least it worked reliably, I'll give it that.
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  2. kado897's Avatar
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       #281

    CountMike said: View Post
    Updates are pretty hardware intensive, tons of disk writing at different stages but at same time inefficient with higher performance hardware. I have 8cores, 16 threads, 16GB of fast RAM and M.2NVMe SSD. Updates uses barely one full core, miserable amount of RAM and 5% of SSD bandwidth. Takes 45 minutes to an hour+, same as my other computer with much lower performance. Clean installation or restoring from backup takes only 15 minutes or less.
    I suspect it's actually running in some virtual mode while changing system files and settings. I don't know if it could be done better but inefficient usage of resources I believe is main reason of slowness.
    They don't care how long the online phase takes because that should be running in the background while you are doing other things. The offline phase of updates & upgrades is much more snappy than it used to be.
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  3. jimbo45's Avatar
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    Windows / Linux : Centos, Ubuntu, OpenSuse
       #282

    Hi folks

    why not do the updates at night -- then for most people it really doesn't matter (within reason) how long this stuff takes -- or simply use the UUPDUMP method --I've never had an update take anything like 2 hours or more even on SLOW hardware with appallingly slow old fashioned 2.5 inch 5400 RPM laptop HDD's with tiny cache sizes !!!.

    Maybe the update process could be faster, more efficient etc etc but on the whole it does seem to work -- I really don't know what some people do on their systems to get the whole slew of problems with Windows Update or the update process -- and if its slow there are alternative ways to update --as I suggested and loads of others use it too -- use UUPDUMP.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4.    #283

    kado897 said: View Post
    They don't care how long the online phase takes because that should be running in the background while you are doing other things. The offline phase of updates & upgrades is much more snappy than it used to be.
    It actually jumps between online and off line phase during first and last stages, I can comfortably use computer at those times except for internet because it takes up all my (not so great) bandwidth. Last phase while computer is not usable is the fastest one, taking may 10 -15 minutes. That's when it has computer all for itself. I don't think that some inherently slow computer would be usable at those stages, specially if it was working on some slow HDD so using all HW resources could just speed things up.
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  5. jimbo45's Avatar
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       #284

    Hi there

    Probably it's the standard "Risk to Reward" ratio -- with the zillions of different bits of hardware would you devote megabucks to getting a whole slew of people to design a better / faster update process optimised for individual sets of hardware or would you create a generic version which while not be the most efficient does (in most cases) actually work.

    I think also stock holders of these companies might prefer investment to be spent on products that earn them big bucks rather than on something which doesn't really improve significantly on User experience (W10 Forums etc aren't the vast majority of users) and costs them a load of dosh without gaining any significant benefit.

    I do like the simplicity though of most Linux update systems -- simply as root type something like : yum update -- the system very rarely if ever requires a re-boot even for a kernel update (although to use the new kernel you will need a reboot) and the package managers do their updates really quickly.


    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. kado897's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Home 64bit
       #285

    CountMike said: View Post
    It actually jumps between online and off line phase during first and last stages, I can comfortably use computer at those times except for internet because it takes up all my (not so great) bandwidth. Last phase while computer is not usable is the fastest one, taking may 10 -15 minutes. That's when it has computer all for itself. I don't think that some inherently slow computer would be usable at those stages, specially if it was working on some slow HDD so using all HW resources could just speed things up.
    It's interesting. When I got a new laptop 18 months ago it came with 1609 installed. I spent about a day loading up programs and getting it set up to my likes. I was interrupted twice for restarts to 1703 and 1709. It had done all the necessary in the background without me really being aware.
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  7. slicendice's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 v1903 Build 18362.325 (Branch: Release Preview)
       #286

    kado897 said: View Post
    It's interesting. When I got a new laptop 18 months ago it came with 1609 installed. I spent about a day loading up programs and getting it set up to my likes. I was interrupted twice for restarts to 1703 and 1709. It had done all the necessary in the background without me really being aware.
    Yes this is how it's supposed to be. Works really well. But it would be nice to have an option to force full priority for the updates.

    My VMs are usually up 24/7 and they take care of them selves while I'm gone. One day I run 1809 and the next I suddenly have 1903 when I log on. This is how it's designed and Active Hours makes sure I'm not interrupted while working on the computer.
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  8. Brink's Avatar
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    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 18965
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       #287

    UPDATE 7/16:

    Known issues and notifications has been updated. See first post for more details.
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  9. MrNovi's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 1809
       #288

    I updated several old Dell and HP C2Ds with 2 to 4 gigs ram built between 2006 and 2008 from 1809 to 1903 in just over an hour each using an ISO mounted as an image.
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  10.    #289

    MrNovi said: View Post
    I updated several old Dell and HP C2Ds with 2 to 4 gigs ram built between 2006 and 2008 from 1809 to 1903 in just over an hour each using an ISO mounted as an image.
    I used the Media Creation Tool because the normal update method stalled out and died. Oh well, it still took hours and hours.
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