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  1. Posts : 19,518
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       #80

    jimbo45 said:
    Hi there
    testing A/B is pointless in the extreme -- it should be a separate build if it has different things in it (or left out).

    It's like testing say a Jaguar car where some people don't have a steering wheel in it, others don't have brakes etc etc.

    The addition or removal of different components in the same build actually renders the whole build essentially meaningless for any relevant testing data to be obtained.

    Bad move ms -- can't understand the logifc behind this silly idea.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Maybe that they are looking for side effects of certain updates like in medicine/placebo tests ?
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  2. Posts : 11,247
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #81

    CountMike said:
    Maybe that they are looking for side effects of certain updates like in medicine/placebo tests ?
    Hi there
    @CountMike

    I don't think you can compare it to that as a placebo is equivalent to say "the existing OS" and the Updates to the "New build".

    In any case leaving one component out could easily break the next update of the OS when you put it back in - either a failure due to some regression or due to incompatible operation of the two components combined so I still stand by my saying that if the OS has different components in it it should be tested as a separate build.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. Posts : 2,667
    Windows 11 21H2 (22000.593)
       #82

    Last I checked, the A/B testing they are doing change with every build released, at least for some users.

    In going along with Wynona's post, I'm not even sure about what the Start pop-up is (quite possibly because I never actually had it), and I *definitely* NEVER had the banner in the Settings page - ever. I don't care for some of the features they are including with the OS (really? F$#%^$% Emojis?) but grudgingly accept that, somewhere in the world, there are people who DO CARE about those very features I don't {insert relevant millennial joke here}. And, if I have a problem with the way they are conducting their testing, I can always revert to simply not testing anymore.

    Whether M$ will or will not change their methodology is open to debate - saying they won't is actually rather arrogant - after all, 20 years ago, we'd never have even considered uttering the word that Microsoft was supporting FOSS or incorporating Linux features into the their flagship OS. But, in counterpoint, they do have a track record of being almost obstinate as the proverbial immovable object when it comes to some of their offerings and services. With them, it's a toss-up -or crap shoot. Pick your poison.

    So, basically, unless you're an actual Microsoft employee, and have access to (for lack of a better word) insider information (not the Microsoft Insiders program, I mean to information that Microsoft Execs and upper level mgrs have regarding decisions they have made), you really cannot say anything more than what they have said to the public.

    As for the reason to have A/B testing - umm, did *anyone* consider that one of the reasons they are using this method is not just to test the features themselves, but to test the inclusion / removal of a feature after an update to make sure it doesn't break the update process itself if they later decide to enable / disable any particular feature?
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  4. Posts : 607
    latest Win10 Insider build
       #83

    johngalt said:
    As for the reason to have A/B testing - umm, did *anyone* consider that one of the reasons they are using this method is not just to test the features themselves, but to test the inclusion / removal of a feature after an update to make sure it doesn't break the update process itself if they later decide to enable / disable any particular feature?
    That's a very good point. But I still feel they could do this with a delayed update, instead of just depriving some insiders of the ability to use those features. Insiders who don't get a particular update, are being deprived, and that isn't fair to them. If M$ wanted to do the test you provide as a possibility, they could just delay certain aspects of an update, and then provide it a few days later as another feature update.
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  5. Posts : 2,667
    Windows 11 21H2 (22000.593)
       #84

    Uh, well, I can't really refute that, except to say that A/B testing is not about fairness at all. In any scenario where it is employed.
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  6. Posts : 56,828
    Multi-boot Windows 10/11 - RTM, RP, Beta, and Insider
       #85

    johngalt said:
    Uh, well, I can't really refute that, except to say that A/B testing is not about fairness at all. In any scenario where it is employed.
    Agree. Introducing "fairness" into the equation is tantamount to skewing the results by choosing random testers with a dose of bias. Contradictory.
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  7. Posts : 68,953
    64-bit Windows 11 Pro for Workstations
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       #86
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  8. Posts : 5
    Windows 10
       #87

    I tried to install multiple times with the same 0x0000...error until it finally quit offering the update to me. I can't find a lind to make an iso and was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction.
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  9. Posts : 56,828
    Multi-boot Windows 10/11 - RTM, RP, Beta, and Insider
       #88

    Andrewspapa said:
    I tried to install multiple times with the same 0x0000...error until it finally quit offering the update to me. I can't find a lind to make an iso and was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction.
    Take a look here. It explains. Cumulative Update KB4495666 for Windows 10 Insider 1903 build 18362.53 Insider - Windows 10 Forums
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  10. Posts : 5
    Windows 10
       #89

    I found out that if there’s an SD card or USB connected that the update will fail. So I removed my card and the install worked.
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