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  1. Posts : 17,661
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       #210

    jimbo45 said:
    Personally if all you need a computer for is to trawl the Internet - who cares whether it's windows or an android tablet etc etc. Internet browsing of course is important but is that the main reason to chose one OS over another -- I actually use my machines for business like things.
    I faced this dilemma a few years back, before my last wife (number #4) left me. I was applying for a government IT job, and the form I had to submit asked if there is or have been any mental health issues in the family.

    I honestly answered that my wife uses an iMac and MacOS.

    Naturally, I didn't get the job.

    Kari
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  2. Posts : 607
    latest Win10 Insider build
       #211

    jimbo45 said:
    Hi there
    forgetting these browser wars for an instant -- has anybody read of Brink's new post on updates to the WSL feature -- looks Good to me.

    On the Browser issue :

    Personally if all you need a computer for is to trawl the Internet - who cares whether it's windows or an android tablet etc etc. Internet browsing of course is important but is that the main reason to chose one OS over another -- I actually use my machines for business like things.

    One ongoing project is a bit of volcanology in Iceland -- I'm sure all those in Europe whose planes were delayed / cancelled when Eyjafjallajökull erupted would be far more interested in getting decent observations of when the next possible disruption would occur rather than worrying about relative merits of Edge vs IE 11.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Is Volcanology what you do as hobby, or for a living? As I have a keen interest in them, as they relate to aviation.
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    Thread Starter
       #212

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  4. Posts : 607
    latest Win10 Insider build
       #213

    Thank you Brink. And sorry for my part in hijacking the thread.
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  5. Posts : 17,661
    Windows 10 Pro
       #214

    BTW, I have forgotten to give kudos to Insider team and upgrade process:

    Upgrading to 18836 from ISO made from UUP Dump site, running the Windows Setup from mounted ISO, it took less than 10 minutes before the restart to offline phase. The offline phase took a bit under 20 minutes, so I was on 18836 desktop in less than half an hour after starting the upgrade process.

    I've never had such a fast upgrade. In fact, my longest upgrade process took over 6 hours (upgrade through Windows Update). On average, I guess I've needed about two to three hours for each upgrade.

    Whatever the difference is, I will prefer ISO upgrades over WU in the future. Fast, secure and easy, no "getting things ready, downloading, installing, getting things ready, downloading, installing..." cycle

    Kari
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  6. Posts : 19,516
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       #215

    Kari said:
    BTW, I have forgotten to give kudos to Insider team and upgrade process:

    Upgrading to 18836 from ISO made from UUP Dump site, running the Windows Setup from mounted ISO, it took less than 10 minutes before the restart to offline phase. The offline phase took a bit under 20 minutes, so I was on 18836 desktop in less than half an hour after starting the upgrade process.

    I've never had such a fast upgrade. In fact, my longest upgrade process took over 6 hours (upgrade through Windows Update). On average, I guess I've needed about two to three hours for each upgrade.

    Whatever the difference is, I will prefer ISO upgrades over WU in the future. Fast, secure and easy, no "getting things ready, downloading, installing, getting things ready, downloading, installing..." cycle

    Kari
    Yes, updates were pretty slick last few builds. because of my internet speed, download is longest part but it didn't do double take or refuse to install at least 5 last builds. Everything running pretty smoothly except there's some experimenting with virtualization lately, probably because of Sandbox and is interfering with VMware and some other things like Ryzen Master (control program for AMD Ryzen based machines), it can't run and it's complaining about some virtualization settings that I did turn off/disabled. Graphic system also took a hit lately, GPU benchmark scores are much lower than in regular builds and some games run like shitz.
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  7. Posts : 17,661
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       #216

    CountMike said:
    Yes, updates were pretty slick last few builds.
    In my native Finnish, we have a saying about you needing to eat dog s**t if you were wrong. Well, it seems that I'll need to do that because my earlier statements about how bad decision it was to switch from ESD upgrades to UUP.

    At the moment, it looks as if UUP method really works, especially when done from ISO instead of WU.

    Kari
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  8. Posts : 15,441
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       #217

    Kari said:
    In my native Finnish, we have a saying about you needing to eat dog s**t if you were wrong. Well, it seems that I'll need to do that because my earlier statements about how bad decision it was to switch from ESD upgrades to UUP.

    At the moment, it looks as if UUP method really works, especially when done from ISO instead of WU.

    Kari
    Yep - it is not uup per se that is the issue but the way windows update manages things.

    Using a UUP downloader bypasses that and allows you to create an iso (only relevant for Insider versions). We all known that upgrading from an iso is the most reliable way to upgrade.

    In a sense, your original assertion is still basically true as you are using a complete install file (.wim rather than.esd but that is inconsequential).

    The original idea behind uup update with WU was to minimise amount downloaded. Problem is WU has to do a lot more work to prepare etc. This is what slows things down. For those with unlimited moderate/fast internet e.g. 10+Mb/s, the benefit of a reduced download is far outweighed by the extra time it takes to do updates with WU.

    Admittedly, WU is much slicker now than when originally produced but for me a uup download and upgrade is the fastest solution.

    Only slowish part is it takes a little while to create the iso.
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  9. Posts : 11,247
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #218

    Hi folks
    I had to use the uup downloader method originally since the relevant insider program at that time was closed to new participants and this was the only way to get the iso's.

    Since first using it I always go for that method now -- it's seamless, seems to work every time, doesn't require insider registration etc etc. Also makes it easy for re-installing windows as many times as you need --either clean install or upgrade.

    As far as download speed is concerned -- I would imagine that most people who are interested in participating in these types of programs would have perfectly adequate Internet speed to download approx. 5GB for the whole process or find somewhere with appropriate speed. I can't see too many real Geeks putting up with miserable slow internet for long !!!! -- if push came to shove you could always use your 4G / 5G phone to create a temporary access point to download and create the iso.

    Of course remember when the iso is being created is where the 5GB download is needed and those components will then build your iso. This is usually the longest part of the process -- there's no reason why if you've got a faster machine you can't use that one to prepare and create the iso - then simply copy it to the machine you want to install it on.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. Posts : 19,516
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       #219

    jimbo45 said:
    Hi folks
    I had to use the uup downloader method originally since the relevant insider program at that time was closed to new participants and this was the only way to get the iso's.

    Since first using it I always go for that method now -- it's seamless, seems to work every time, doesn't require insider registration etc etc. Also makes it easy for re-installing windows as many times as you need --either clean install or upgrade.

    As far as download speed is concerned -- I would imagine that most people who are interested in participating in these types of programs would have perfectly adequate Internet speed to download approx. 5GB for the whole process or find somewhere with appropriate speed. I can't see too many real Geeks putting up with miserable slow internet for long !!!! -- if push came to shove you could always use your 4G / 5G phone to create a temporary access point to download and create the iso.

    Of course remember when the iso is being created is where the 5GB download is needed and those components will then build your iso. This is usually the longest part of the process -- there's no reason why if you've got a faster machine you can't use that one to prepare and create the iso - then simply copy it to the machine you want to install it on.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Well, 20/10Mbps from 4G is best I can get at this location and time but that's not only problem, MS server can get really slow at times when people notice or start updating to new build. If I start at right time, It can download in 15 minutes but at wrong time it can take over an hour.
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