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  1. Fabler2's Avatar
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       #420

    Wynona said: View Post
    Because we like living dangerously.

    Think of the slow ring as (almost) a release candidate (ready for production); most bugs are squashed but there may be one or two undiscovered ones. It's basically the tail end of a beta.

    With that in mind, it follows that the Fast Ring is less ready for prime time. What is now labelled as a "Preview" was formerly known as a "Beta". A Beta is not perfect; it's been run through the top echelon of Beta Testers within Microsoft and some partner companies, but there needs to be more than developers and ITs testing.

    That's where we come in. Insiders come from all walks of life; as you can see here, from the complete novice to the gurus among us. At this point, we're what Microsoft needs, so the Preview (Beta) is handed over to us to find and report bugs. As you can see here in this forum, there are quite a few.

    So, as bugs are reported, the Microsoft Dev team works on them. As we all know, it stands to reason that as one issue is fixed, it's possible to break something else. That's why it sometimes looks as if Microsoft is ignoring your issue, when it's very possible that while trying to fix that, it breaks something else, so they have to go back to the drawing board.

    And now we come to Skip Ahead, which can be called the Alpha. As the current Preview (1903/19H1 in this case) closes in on Release to the Public, the Development Team is busily working on 1909/19H2. In the beginning, it's raw and pretty uncontrollable, but is still a work of art in my not so humble opinion. Those of us who are willing to take chances and work with such as this sign up because we want to help make Windows the best it can be.

    And with all that said, the most important thing to remember is that nothing on Slow, Fast or Skip Ahead is reliable enough to use as your Production Machine. The risk of losing important work is too great.
    In an excellent nutshell
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  2.    #421

    smactilactus said: View Post
    Why is everyone so preoccupied with skippy? Every time I've been on it, it has been significantly worse than fast ring dev. So really don't see the benefit in jumping on a ring that hasn't even been in service for a while? Seems like your just asking for trouble...
    I've had fewer problems overall with Skippy than with Fast builds. It wouldn't be a good idea to run either on my primary PC, but I think I would choose Skippy if one of the two were forced on me.
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  3. f14tomcat's Avatar
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       #422

    larc919 said: View Post
    I've had fewer problems overall with Skippy than with Fast builds. It wouldn't be a good idea to run either on my primary PC, but I think I would choose Skippy if one of the two were forced on me.
    Right now, they are the same. What's released for Fast is good for Skippy. Even though it is not explicitly stated so. (I think.....) They are about to fork, so tighten your seat belts! Likely 188xx or 19xxx for Skippy, maintaining 183xx for fast.
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  4. johngalt's Avatar
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       #423

    Edwin said: View Post
    Yeah, but, we're perpetually bored!!!
    pbcopter said: View Post
    Same reason I'm an Insider. Want to test and see new things. Maybe help make it better. I'm prepared for trouble as I don't install it as my primary system.
    Wynona said: View Post
    Because we like living dangerously.

    Think of the slow ring as (almost) a release candidate (ready for production); most bugs are squashed but there may be one or two undiscovered ones. It's basically the tail end of a beta.

    With that in mind, it follows that the Fast Ring is less ready for prime time. What is now labelled as a "Preview" was formerly known as a "Beta". A Beta is not perfect; it's been run through the top echelon of Beta Testers within Microsoft and some partner companies, but there needs to be more than developers and ITs testing.

    That's where we come in. Insiders come from all walks of life; as you can see here, from the complete novice to the gurus among us. At this point, we're what Microsoft needs, so the Preview (Beta) is handed over to us to find and report bugs. As you can see here in this forum, there are quite a few.

    So, as bugs are reported, the Microsoft Dev team works on them. As we all know, it stands to reason that as one issue is fixed, it's possible to break something else. That's why it sometimes looks as if Microsoft is ignoring your issue, when it's very possible that while trying to fix that, it breaks something else, so they have to go back to the drawing board.

    And now we come to Skip Ahead, which can be called the Alpha. As the current Preview (1903/19H1 in this case) closes in on Release to the Public, the Development Team is busily working on 1909/19H2. In the beginning, it's raw and pretty uncontrollable, but is still a work of art in my not so humble opinion. Those of us who are willing to take chances and work with such as this sign up because we want to help make Windows the best it can be.

    And with all that said, the most important thing to remember is that nothing on Slow, Fast or Skip Ahead is reliable enough to use as your Production Machine. The risk of losing important work is too great.
    All that and the desire to actually test and provide feedback before features go mainstream and hose computers worldwide. It's the primary for βeta (and in this case αlpha) testing in the first place.

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    Right now, they are the same. What's released for Fast is good for Skippy. Even though it is not explicitly stated so. (I think.....) They are about to fork, so tighten your seat belts! Likely 188xx or 19xxx for Skippy, maintaining 183xx for fast.
    This, too.

    I'm going to not sign up for the actual skippy builds, and see if I can still get them via UUDUMP.ml (which, in the past, have always been there, AFAICR) and manually install them, while keeping my system 'officially' on slow ring.

    That gives me a bit of flexibility in that I don't have to worry about my computer self-updating (except for the odd slow ring build that might supersede the currently installed build, although that has not happened, yet) and I have time to make sure I have a working full-system backup in place, in addition to daily differential backups.
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  5. martyfelker's Avatar
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    Dual Boot Windows 10 IP Build 18850/Ubuntu Disco (19.04) Kernel 5.0.0
       #424

    Right now, they are the same. What's released for Fast is good for Skippy. Even though it is not explicitly stated so. (I think.....) They are about to fork, so tighten your seat belts! Likely 188xx or 19xxx for Skippy, maintaining 183xx for fast.

    This is when I most miss Buildfeed. Seems likely Skippy will be 19XXX but how long do I want to hold my breath?
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  6. f14tomcat's Avatar
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       #425

    martyfelker said: View Post
    Right now, they are the same. What's released for Fast is good for Skippy. Even though it is not explicitly stated so. (I think.....) They are about to fork, so tighten your seat belts! Likely 188xx or 19xxx for Skippy, maintaining 183xx for fast.

    This is when I most miss Buildfeed. Seems likely Skippy will be 19XXX but how long do I want to hold my breath?
    You just quote me without quoting me?
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  7. scoopjeff's Avatar
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    Its been a long road for me and I love beta testing, Im not going into the loft to dig out my 95 beta discs, some might be worth some dosh now!
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  8.    #427

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    You just quote me without quoting me?
    You just quoted yourself and marty!!!
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  9.    #428

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    Its been a long road for me and I love beta testing, Im not going into the loft to dig out my 95 beta discs, some might be worth some dosh now!
    I beta tested Windows 95. Back then you had to pay for the privilege and there was no online feedback.
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  10. f14tomcat's Avatar
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       #429

    Edwin said: View Post
    You just quoted yourself and marty!!!
    Apparently!
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