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    lmod said: View Post
    Not sure if this is the solution. The service isn't running on my system, and apps are very slow to open today.
    It's a triggered-manual service. It can come and go. Little like Schrodinger's cat, it's there if you don't look, but gone if you do.
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    Edwin said: View Post
    It's not enough that it's not running, it has to be disabled...
    OK, I now have disabled it. And non-MS apps do seem to be opening quickly since I disabled the service.
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    lmod said: View Post
    OK, I now have disabled it. And non-MS apps do seem to be opening quickly since I disabled the service.
    So it appears, maybe, that since it is a triggered-manual service, it pops in to snoop on any non-MS app for telemetry stuff, then goes dormant. Just a theory.
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       #313

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    So it appears, maybe, that since it is a triggered-manual service, it pops in to snoop on any non-MS app for telemetry stuff, then goes dormant. Just a theory.
    Reasonable theory
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    I'm not on my Insider right now, but an interesting experiment......

    Enable the service again.

    Pull up a split screen with Resource Monitor/Net Traffic on one side, and the Desktop on the other.

    Fire up a few non-MS apps and watch what comes alive far as possible telemetry activity.
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       #315

    LEOPEVA64 said: View Post
    The task manager refreshes or "blinks " each time the Start menu or Search is opened:
    Task manager refresh.
    So far I realize that this problem is not unique to the task manager, it also happens in the Device manager, Services, Disk management, the power options, the local group policy editor and I suspect that in other parts of the system.

    Blinking.

    (I use that name because this bug reminds me of the blinking arrows of the task manager. )
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    f14tomcat said: View Post
    So it appears, maybe, that since it is a triggered-manual service, it pops in to snoop on any non-MS app for telemetry stuff, then goes dormant. Just a theory.
    Not sure if it's just non-MS apps, since I don't see how it could know that in the microsecond the service has to figure it out, but either way, I really have to wonder about the efficiency of having a service that launches and does something every stinking time you open anything on your system. If it's telemetry, I'd like to see specifically what they're so interested in. Surely there's a better way to know what's been run than that, if that's even what they're really after.

    Maybe this is a service that I'll routinely disable for efficiency sake, even after the problem is solved. It wouldn't be that difficult to enable it once a week for an hour.
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    Does everyone agree that Night Light is working correctly again in this build?

    Yes, it works, but it has a weird side-effect once it does its thing: grays turn pink-ish. Until you reboot, when things look as you'd expect per your desired color temperature.

    The flux beta also does the same thing in this build, suggesting that whatever fix MS put into 18323 has broken something fundamental.
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    1st set of replies:

    Kari said: View Post
    After just over 24 hours, the big bar on top of settings is back, on both laptops.

    Kari
    Mine still hasn't happened. Must really be an A/B server side thing.

    smactilactus said: View Post
    Hotmail????? Really? Not trying to bug, but that's almost like saying, I still have my same AOL email.
    I have all 4 of the ones I first started with. I have 'converted' 3 to outlook.com (by way of creating the same username on outlook.com as an alias, then making the outlook.com the 'primary').

    Plus, I use 2 of my HoTMaiL accounts or my Microsoft subs and MSDN subs.

    CountMike said: View Post
    Yeah, Hotmail.com, what's wrong with it ? It's probably even older than that. Hotmail from Office 2013 also works.
    Agreed.

    Wynona said: View Post
    Ummm, I still have my original hotmail account from when I first started beta testing back in 1985 or so. I've pretty much used it exclusively as my Microsoft Account for Windows.xxx.
    You caught yourself later on down so I can change this reply to just a simple reply....

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    Yep. Hotmail. Tied to my MS account only, and with 2 factor authentication.
    Same.

    CountMike said: View Post
    One of most secure e-mail accounts.
    Well, more secure than some, not as secure as others. I don't use it for anything outside of Windows and Micro$fot stuff, though, because for a long time their spam filters were so bad they might as well have been non-existent.

    sgage said: View Post
    That's all I've ever used my Hotmail account for - MS/Windows stuff.
    Yup.

    smactilactus said: View Post
    Just poking fun with ya. Not trying to be offensive. I guess it's like someone still driving a 1950's Edsel Ranger. Yeah, it'll get ya from point a to point b, but it's not as safe, economical or efficient as my Bimmer!
    I use Gmail for the ability to solidify alllllll of my Google crap. And for important stuff, I use Protonmail.
    Well, that depends. If you drive a classic car *as* a classic car, then yeah, but there are plenty of gearheads out there that take classic cars and, for lack of a better word, 'modernize' them, for various reasons - improved safety, improved performance, improved aesthetics, improved functionality, or any combination thereof.

    And, TBH, I'd rather waste more gas than have more plastic on my car (and have to pay $2000 USD for a front bumper replacement, as an example).

    ANd safety is a very subjective thing - you take a car from the 60s and compare it with a similarly sized car from today (assuming you don't grab a land yacht, as almost none of those exist anymore that aren't SUVs), and you'll find that, while the newer car may be able to stop better, has better traction control, and is light and thus more fuel efficient, the older will probably have a much better chance of letting you walk away fom being T-boned by

    CountMike said: View Post
    So what's wrong with 1950's Edsel Ranger ? Probably has great value by now. I'd love to have one.
    I'd like one. Or a corvair or 3.

    smactilactus said: View Post
    As your daily driver???? I could write a dissertation on it. But the cost of gas alone would be reason enough. But then there's safety, maintenance and ergonomics.
    I'd love to have one for a collectors item, but wouldn't drive it as my lone car.
    This also depends upon what your reason for having a car is in the first place - if you make a rather long commute, 5-6 days per week, your outlook might be completely different from someon who, say, works from home and actually drives their car for distances longer than 5 miles no more than twice a week.

    Plus, if you're a pretty safe driver, then you mostly have to worry about other drivers - and I'd put older model cars against most things out on the road today, particularly if the other driver is in a larger, SUV-class vehicle.

    CountMike said: View Post
    My last vehicle in Canada was a 1966 Mercury pickup with 351 4bbl Cleveland boosted to 400HP.
    Sweet! My first car was a '78 Thunderbird that had been upgraded to the 351 Cleveland with boosted output and somehow or another also had an FMX tranny. I had the 'hate tank' throughout college.

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    With one minor caveat. The mail person does have to have the ability to actually put your mail in the correct mailbox where you live, and you hope some "passerby" doesn't just help themselves. And to put any package somewhere near the porch, not in the middle of the driveway in the rain. On a scale of 1 - 10, the mail service around here is hovering at around -5. Hope it's better in Iceland.
    Or, these days, the carriers themselves stealing the mail. And as for packages, I've started requesting signatures (when I can) so there are less 'Oh, my pkg was stolen' claims.

    Wynona said: View Post
    Wasn't 1985 that I first started using Hotmail, but it's been a long, long, long time. Even long term memory suffers with age.

    Don't know nuttin' about the Edsel Ranger, but I do know about Hotmail. It was launched in 1996 by Sabeer Bhatia and Jack Smith in Mountain View, California. I was using it when Microsoft bought it in 1997 and it's been called many things since then, but above all, it's been as safe as any other email service. From HoTMail, to MSN Hotmail, to Windows Live Hotmail, I've never had it spammed, which is saying a lot.

    In 2013, Hotmail was "taken over" by Outlook.com. What this means is that although there's still a someone@hotmail.com email address, it's a part of Outlook.com.

    When all is said and done, my hotmail.com email address is just as safe as anyone else's outlook.com email address.
    Yeah, I still use one of my 4 with the hotmail domain, converted 3 to outlook domain. I grabbed my first soon after it went public, but I now remember it was after M$ took over. I may be incorrect about that, my first (or first 2) might have been before M$ took over, because part of me wants to say I was not a happy camper when they took over, thinking they would mess it up, somehow (and another part of me tells myself that I am misremembering, that I was upset about M$ taking over something else lol).

    Rocky said: View Post
    I have my trusty old MSN mail account. Is this what you guys call HotMail? I thought HotMail was a porn thing.
    Not exactly. MSN, IIRC, was more like an AOL subscription service, that offered both online content as well as actual Internet access. HoTMaiL was simply an online-based email service, like Yahoo, GMail, etc.

    CountMike said: View Post
    There's also word HotRod but that's not what you may think either.
    The version I know and love is all about cars. The NSFW version that I can think of is something that I would have paid a lot more attention to a quarter of a century ago....

    Wynona said: View Post


    Don't hold me to it, Rocky, since I've found that even my long term memory is no longer reliable . . .

    I was on the beta of MSN, Outlook and several other apps way back then, and I'm not sure, but there may have been both an @msn.com and @HOTmail.com. I'm pretty sure, though, that at some point they were combined.
    Yeah, I think when M$ dropped the subscription for MSN, and made it open, they slowly but surely combined it all together - because for the longest time you'd go to MSN.com and have direct links to Hotmail right there.

    I may be wrong, but that is what I remember.

    neveready said: View Post
    My daughter has both Hotmail.com and MSN.com.
    I never got an MSN address - but I made up for it by getting a Yahoo, several GMail accounts, and more than a few other accounts at various other free providers, like hotpop (let the inneundoes commence!), NetZero (whose dialup service I did use for a little while, and kept around as a backup once they introduced their freemium model, until my broadband stabilized), and lots more.

    Fisher Mann said: View Post
    Had to change to normal start up from Fast. Intel video driver was not loading properly and everything was a weird mauve color
    on some start ups.

    Went from Live Mail to Outlook. I did like Live Mail a lot.
    That's another one I didn't use, Live mail, although they did integrate the whole live.com logins for all things HoTMaiL and Micro$oft and even Windows. I stuck with just the HoTMaiL domain.
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       #319

    smactilactus said: View Post
    Beat me to it!!! It's a huge problem in America right now, with people stealing packages, and even mail from mailboxes. It's a wonder we never went to locked mailboxes. Seems like a common sense fix, but never have seen it implemented anywhere. The post person could have a master key, and we all have an issued key for the front of the box. And we all have personal keys for the rear. Would make things a lot more secure in my opinion.
    That would be great - except then you have folks complaining about having to walk past their driveway to get their mail.

    My folks *HATE* not having a mailbox in front of their house. They are looking to buy another home and move, and they removed every house from their search 3 months ago that had commmunity mailboxes. Even one that was quite literally less than 250 feet from the community mailboxes.

    Some people just don't like them.

    Mark Phelps said: View Post
    I posted HERE because this is the thread about this Update -- and it was delivered to me an an Update. Lots of other folks have also posted HERE and I didn't notice any of them being lectured about WHERE to post.

    I've been doing Insider updates for years now, and through 18317, not run into any serious issues like with this build. So, something NEW is happening in this build and I was hoping to find out what.

    Also, I've read on other forums about folks running into the same issues I did, so I was hoping to get some help -- not lectures about how Insider updates can fail.
    But your original post had the wrong build number - and that is the build number that he replied to.

    You wrote 18232, this build is 18323 - so he replied that you should probably be posting in the 18232 thread, not realizing that it was a typo on your part.

    Ztruker said: View Post
    Most developments already do that here in Fla and probably most places in the US. There is one mail area for every so many apartments, town homes or homes, each has a key to open it. The mailman has a key that opens a large door at the back that gives access to the entire set of boxes. There are 2 or 3 large boxes with keys that larger packages are placed in and the key for that box is then placed in the appropriate smaller mail box.

    Works pretty well.
    I personally agree, and I think it engenders quite a few benefits, like getting out for a longer period of time, getting to know your neighbors a little more, etc. - but my parents, immigrants from India, with a completely different mindset, can't stand them

    To each their own....

    martyfelker said: View Post
    It all deplends on where you live. Here in Floyd County, VA where I'ver lived for 25 years I have never had mail or packages stolen. Sometimes the mail person leaves mail in my dysfunctional 1994 Chevy truck but that's only if it won't fit in the box.
    I've had the odd package go missing, but I cannot say for certain anything has ever been stolen.

    martyfelker said: View Post
    I cannot find the solutions people have posted for slow program startup in this build. Can somebody point me to the discussion (Brink??). It's pretty annoying for sure.

    TIA
    Edwin said: View Post
    I doubt this is the solution but it works for me, I disabled Insider Service...

    Attachment 222470

    Course, gotta re-enable it when the next Build comes creepin around...

    Attachment 222471
    Thanks, I'll give that a shot.

    martyfelker said: View Post
    Yup. I just found that solution on the Feedback Hub. Works great
    Good to know.

    Winuser said: View Post
    I still have a clean header on my laptop that I did a clean install on.
    And I still have a clean header on my desktop that I upgraded from 18312 directly via .ISO.

    *fingers crossed* that it is, in fact, a server side A/B test....and I am in the group that never gets it turned on.

    sgage said: View Post
    Easy big fella - I wasn't 'lecturing' you about anything. I just thought you'd made an honest mistake - it happens all the time. The honest mistake was on my part - I misread something in your message. This was certainly the right place to post. Sorry for the confusion (on my part).
    Actually, you didn't misread - he typoed the wrong build number, and you made the comment based upon that, not realizing it was a typo (I saw it right away because I make that exact same type of typo, especially with numbers)

    Wynona said: View Post
    Well, here in Arkansas, there's a solution to stealing mail from mailboxes; everyone has either a shot gun or a rifle.

    As far as keyed mailboxes other than banks of them in subdivisions, put in by the developer or home owners' association, the cost to residents would be exorbitant. It already costs $.49 to mail a letter; that cost would probably triple or quadruple. Not only would the cost of mailboxes go up, but the time it takes to actually deliver the mail, especially in rural areas, would go up. Ain't no way that huge wad of advertising material would fit into a slot on a mailbox! In rural areas every mailbox would have to be opened. So, nope, I don't see it happening at all.
    Lol yeah, here in GA, it's about the same. Might be why community mailboxes aren't as popular out here, as well.

    Wynona said: View Post
    Yup, if you live in a subdivision. We had that in our subdivision in Texas, but there are more rural areas than there are subdivisions and apartments.
    Amen to that, Atlanta is its own little country within GA, but for almost all of the rest of GA, it's mostly rural.

    martyfelker said: View Post
    ]Well, here in Arkansas, there's a solution to stealing mail from mailboxes; everyone has either a shot gun or a rifle.

    Same in my parts - 50 miles from nowhere.
    I'm not quite that much, especially as Publix is now within a few miles of my house, but I am still pretty far ouot in an unincorporated town that only has a post office to its name....

    Wynona said: View Post
    I'm close enough to town for easy shopping, but far enough out that I don't have to contend with traffic and all that stuff.
    Oh hell, the traffic in the nearest town to me, an AF base town, has gotten murderous. This town has big city traffic but almost none of the drivers have big city driving skills. It makes for a serious mess every day from school letting out to around 6.

    Murderous.

    Wynona said: View Post
    Contrary to what we've all read, and aside from the fact that I'm getting regular GSODs, I think we need a new Build!

    Agreed. Especially *because* of the issues.

    Edwin said: View Post
    Gotta disable it.
    Roger that .

    Edwin said: View Post
    I'm still having random GSOD's and audio issues galore!
    Thankfully, I'm having neither of those - juts the slow program startup - I honestly thought it was something else, though, but in reading that info you posted, it makes a bit of sense....

    I'm just reserving judgment (ATM) before I start spouting conspiracy theories as to why this is happening.

    flybynite said: View Post
    Our town is so small there is no mail delivery. We all go to the post office to pick up our mail.
    That *is* small....

    lmod said: View Post
    Not sure if this is the solution. The service isn't running on my system, and apps are very slow to open today.
    vvvvvvvvv this.

    Edwin said: View Post
    It's not enough that it's not running, it has to be disabled...

    Attachment 222491
    Otherwise it can always turn on when it wants to.

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    It's a triggered-manual service. It can come and go. Little like Schrodinger's cat, it's there if you don't look, but gone if you do.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this.

    lmod said: View Post
    OK, I now have disabled it. And non-MS apps do seem to be opening quickly since I disabled the service.
    Cool.

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    So it appears, maybe, that since it is a triggered-manual service, it pops in to snoop on any non-MS app for telemetry stuff, then goes dormant. Just a theory.


    See, I was gonna hold off on my conspiracy theories....lol

    lmod said: View Post
    Reasonable theory
    f14tomcat said: View Post
    I'm not on my Insider right now, but an interesting experiment......

    Enable the service again.

    Pull up a split screen with Resource Monitor/Net Traffic on one side, and the Desktop on the other.

    Fire up a few non-MS apps and watch what comes alive far as possible telemetry activity.
    I'll do that.

    LEOPEVA64 said: View Post
    So far I realize that this problem is not unique to the task manager, it also happens in the Device manager, Services, Disk management, the power options, the local group policy editor and I suspect that in other parts of the system.

    Blinking.

    (I use that name because this bug reminds me of the blinking arrows of the task manager. )
    I didn't think to try the apps with devmgr, etc. I tried devmgr, and several other control panel items with TM and had no issues.

    I just now tried with devmgr an the flickering is there, but not nearly as disruptive as with TM.

    I still say it has to do with the new start program and it grabbing and letting go of graphics 3D resources for whatever reason.

    rseiler said: View Post
    Not sure if it's just non-MS apps, since I don't see how it could know that in the microsecond the service has to figure it out, but either way, I really have to wonder about the efficiency of having a service that launches and does something every stinking time you open anything on your system. If it's telemetry, I'd like to see specifically what they're so interested in. Surely there's a better way to know what's been run than that, if that's even what they're really after.

    Maybe this is a service that I'll routinely disable for efficiency sake, even after the problem is solved. It wouldn't be that difficult to enable it once a week for an hour.
    Installation location, for one thing - inclusion of / lack of manifest files, heck, it might already be stored in the registry - the build might have scanned all installed programs and made a list of non-M$ / non-UWP programs....

    rseiler said: View Post
    Does everyone agree that Night Light is working correctly again in this build?

    Yes, it works, but it has a weird side-effect once it does its thing: grays turn pink-ish. Until you reboot, when things look as you'd expect per your desired color temperature.

    The flux beta also does the same thing in this build, suggesting that whatever fix MS put into 18323 has broken something fundamental.
    Odd. Did night light break in 18317, or earlier? I don't recall having a problem in 18312....
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