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  1. cereberus's Avatar
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       #190

    jimbo45 said:
    Hi there
    problem again with VMWare after using and disabling Sandbox

    Once the sandbox is disabled and system re-booted you can re-run VMWare again but then Bridged networking seems to have gone AWOL.

    I think with this release you'll have to choose whether you want to use VMWare or Sandbox.

    For the Sandbox -- in principle a good idea but these are real limitations

    1) Can't change / create size of Sandbox's "C" drive or its location either

    2) Can't save end of session so you always have to start with a brand new sandbox

    3) can't install anything that requires you to re-boot ---i.e you can't re-boot the sandbox.

    Device sharing could be better as well as networking .

    If I were a teacher writing a school report I'd say -- "Tried hard - but could do a lot better"

    Finally those of you using Hasleo Wintousb -- this version breaks the fix they had for version 1809 of Win 10 -- you can't create this on a Wintogo type of drive with the Wintousb product.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Use Feedback Hub.

    Re. 2 - you could at least make incremental image backups before you shutdown Sandbox (and of current pc state before yiu revert to the saved open sandbox incremental).

    I do not use incrementals much but this seems a good workaround

    1) is annoying.

    3) is definitely a severe limitation.

    I have not yet tried sandbox - how does it use RAM ie is it dynamic or can you set a limit.
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  2. jimbo45's Avatar
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    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #191

    cereberus said:
    Use Feedback Hub.

    Re. 2 - you could at least make incremental image backups before you shutdown Sandbox (and of current pc state before yiu revert to the saved open sandbox incremental).

    I do not use incrementals much but this seems a good workaround

    1) is annoying.

    3) is definitely a severe limitation.

    I have not yet tried sandbox - how does it use RAM ie is it dynamic or can you set a limit.
    Hi there
    Haven't investigated yet but seems almost no user configurable parameters on this -- might be some registry tweaks available though.

    I'm going to leave this however until it's matured a bit -- It's not really useable as is - much more a limited Proof of Concept offering. For people using Sandboxes I think the 3rd party SANDBOXIE application is still the one to use although if Ms gets its act together they could be in trouble.

    Got a feeling too many builds are coming out without any real direction of travel at top management. Definitely better intent of purpose and QA needed from Ms.

    They really ought to untangle IE11 from the OS -- it seems to cause all sorts of mayhem once you start trying to disable it etc.
    Ms also need to get some Software RAID working, a better resilient modern logging file system, and sort out the long file names limitation --still there even in these releases.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. slicendice's Avatar
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       #192

    @jimbo45

    I agree, but IE isn't the only thing creating unneccessary dependencies. A complete rewrite of Windows would solve all that. MS claim they have rewritten Windows from scratch many times, but that is total BS. It's just copy paste of code and some tweaks here and there.

    Only thing Windows needs is the kernel, a good scheduler and memory manager, multiple security layers, a driver layer and some internal services in the kernel that ties it all together. The rest can be completely independent from each other.
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  4. jimbo45's Avatar
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       #193

    slicendice said:
    @jimbo45

    I agree, but IE isn't the only thing creating unneccessary dependencies. A complete rewrite of Windows would solve all that. MS claim they have rewritten Windows from scratch many times, but that is total BS. It's just copy paste of code and some tweaks here and there.

    Only thing Windows needs is the kernel, a good scheduler and memory manager, multiple security layers, a driver layer and some internal services in the kernel that ties it all together. The rest can be completely independent from each other.
    Hi there @slicendice

    There's an OS that has that already -- I belive it's that one that starts with an L and ends in an X !!!!

    and you can even "Sandbox" processes in it too.

    Many approaches to sandboxing in Linux - Open Source For You

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. slicendice's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 20H2 Build 19042.906 (Branch: Release Preview)
       #194

    jimbo45 said:
    Hi there @slicendice

    There's an OS that has that already -- I belive it's that one that starts with an L and ends in an X !!!!

    and you can even "Sandbox" processes in it too.

    Many approaches to sandboxing in Linux - Open Source For You

    Cheers
    jimbo
    LOL!

    Yep, but L***X is not W*****$! That's the difference.

    Windows has so much potential, and when finally things start to work properly and most dependencies are disconnected, someone adds back most of that bloat and other garbage to the system, rendering all the good progress totally useless. I don't understand why they do it that way every time.
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  6. Winuser's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro Insider
       #195

    swarfega said:
    Further update: it appears that 1003 wasn't available for skip-ahead which is what this machine was set to. So changed to fast ring and its now updating.
    My laptop is on the Skip-Ahead build and 1003 downloaded and installed yesterday.
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  7. Fabler2's Avatar
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    Windows 10 preview 64-bit Home
       #196

    slicendice said:
    LOL!

    Yep, but L***X is not W*****$! That's the difference.

    Windows has so much potential, and when finally things start to work properly and most dependencies are disconnected, someone adds back most of that bloat and other garbage to the system, rendering all the good progress totally useless. I don't understand why they do it that way every time.
    Off topic a bit but remembered you suggesting an Intel one for my old APU machine that struggled with WinX. Gone the Mint way and the CPU has a lot less work to do
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  8. Kari's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro
       #197

    cereberus said:
    I would imagine you have to disable the hypervisor in same way as for hyper-v.
    No need to disable hypervisor. Here Sandbox on host and on a Hyper-V VM running at the same time:

    New Windows 10 Insider Preview Fast Build 18305.1003 (19H1) - Dec. 20-image.png

    Kari
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  9. slicendice's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 20H2 Build 19042.906 (Branch: Release Preview)
       #198

    Fabler2 said:
    Off topic a bit but remembered you suggesting an Intel one for my old APU machine that struggled with WinX. Gone the Mint way and the CPU has a lot less work to do
    Cool! That's what Linux is great for, among other things. If something hogs resources, just get rid of it. In most cases nothing will break. Try that in Windows and it is very likely the whole system becomes unbootable.
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  10. slicendice's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 20H2 Build 19042.906 (Branch: Release Preview)
       #199

    Kari said:
    No need to disable hypervisor. Here Sandbox on host and on a Hyper-V VM running at the same time:

    New Windows 10 Insider Preview Fast Build 18305.1003 (19H1) - Dec. 20-image.png

    Kari
    I think he was referring to VMWare or other virtualization platforms beyond Hyper-V. There's a lot of compatibility issues when Windows hypervisor is enabled.
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