MSFT acknowledges some Win10 Pro licenses being mistakenly deactivated

roy111 · 10 Nov 2018

slicendice said:

Sure, but that's only for the optimized components from Intel. It's just like any Redhat-like distribution.

Either way, if switching to Linux, one must be prepared to get his/her hands dirty with some BASH magic. ...

Well actually it very much depends on what you have to do, for internet, social media etc.. bash is unuseful, I can't think
what it shuld be used for honestly, if you need autocad, well it does not exist on linux ....

Compumind · 10 Nov 2018

To all -

Not meaning to stray off-topic.

If you really want to get into Linux, I strongly suggest Linux Mint.

Here are some resources...

Code:

https://linuxmint.com/

Code:

https://forums.linuxmint.com/

Code:

https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

Enjoy!

slicendice · 10 Nov 2018

roy111 said:

Well actually it very much depends on what you have to do, for internet, social media etc.. bash is unuseful, I can't think
what it shuld be used for honestly, if you need autocad, well it does not exist on linux ....

I was not talking about using applications, I was talking about setting things up so it works. The major applications are fairly easy to install from the desktop.

If you are dependent on applications that are Windows/Mac only, then stick with Windows.

Compumind said:

To all -

Not meaning to stray off-topic.

If you really want to get into Linux, I strongly suggest Linux Mint.

Here are some resources...

Code:

https://linuxmint.com/

Code:

https://forums.linuxmint.com/

Code:

https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

Enjoy!

Yep, that's one of the easiest ones to get started with. But we were talking about performance and Mint is as slow as all the other distributions. Clear Linux is the fastest because all bloat has been removed, code and compilation flags has been optimized for latest Intel hardware and tech. But AMD benefits from this equally much.

Compumind · 10 Nov 2018

slicendice said:

Yep, that's one of the easiest ones to get started with. But we were talking about performance and Mint is as slow as all the other distributions. Clear Linux is the fastest because all bloat has been removed, code and compilation flags has been optimized for latest Intel hardware and tech. But AMD benefits from this equally much.

I agree but CL is not for the casual user at this stage.

FWIW.

roy111 · 10 Nov 2018

slicendice said:

I was not talking about using applications, I was talking about setting things up so it works.

Let's assume your PC in well supported (i.e. you dont have driver issues), I can't think of a reason to use the shell (unless you're comfortable with it and you want to), this is my Ubuntu experience, maybe I'm overlooking something (?).

slicendice · 10 Nov 2018

Compumind said:

I agree but CL is not for the casual user at this stage.

FWIW.

You are correct, but it's way easier than distributions like Arch.

roy111 said:

Let's assume your PC in well supported (i.e. you dont have driver issues), I can't think of a reason to use the shell (unless you're comfortable with it and you want to), this is my Ubuntu experience, maybe I'm overlooking something (?).

Then I'd say, you have still a lot to learn. If you want to go even a bit beyond what Ubuntu or any distribution offers out of the box, you are very likely required to type a lot of commands in the shell. But once all is done and configured properly and configured well, there is little you need the shell for. Then your workflow can be Windows-like.

roy111 · 10 Nov 2018

slicendice said:

Then I'd say, you have still a lot to learn. If you want to go even a bit beyond what Ubuntu or any distribution offers out of the box, you are very likely required to type a lot of commands in the shell. But once all is done and configured properly and configured well, there is little you need the shell for. Then your workflow can be Windows-like.

I think we're talking abount 2 different things, what I'm saying is that I find Ubuntu totally usable without any shell intervention, then if you want you can tweak etc. using the shell, but it's user choice, not mandatory, that's it, hope it's clear.
Just out of curiosity, what would it be the first shell activity you do, that you think is necessary, after a clean ubuntu install?

Adalwar · 10 Nov 2018

slicendice said:

Then I'd say, you have still a lot to learn. If you want to go even a bit beyond what Ubuntu or any distribution offers out of the box, you are very likely required to type a lot of commands in the shell. But once all is done and configured properly and configured well, there is little you need the shell for. Then your workflow can be Windows-like.

Do not misunderstand me, but I think there is a lot of misinformation about Linux from the point of view of end.user.
AFAIK people can do very little out-of-the-box. People have to learn a huge, read a huge Information that is not suitable for beginners.
I gave it a chance for several times, but I had to give up due the unsuitable information and the huge time I had to spend in research how to do a simple Task, as simple as get access to my own Documents.
Linux is for Computer Freaks, that is my opinion, not suitable for Normal Users that just use PC as a Working Tool.

slicendice · 10 Nov 2018

Adalwar said:

Do not misunderstand me, but I think there is a lot of misinformation about Linux from the point of view of end.user.
AFAIK people can do very little out-of-the-box. People have to learn a huge, read a huge Information that is not suitable for beginners.
I gave it a chance for several times, but I had to give up due the unsuitable information and the huge time I had to spend in research how to do a simple Task, as simple as get access to my own Documents.
Linux is for Computer Freaks, that is my opinion, not suitable for Normal Users that just use PC as a Working Tool.

As I've mentioned many times before, Linux is not Windows. The user has to relearn EVERYTHING from scratch.

Many distributions try to mimic Windows, but they are still Linux. If the user wants to do anything beyond some e-mailing, web browsing and media consumption, the first step is to understand how Linux works, why things are the way they are and how everything is structured. After the user understands these basic concepts, Linux is really easy and it does not matter which distribution you choose, the core ALWAYS work exactly the same (with a minor variance and exception depending on how the distribution has been structured)

Then there are those wanna-be Windows tools, which can only do a small fraction of what the shell-tools can do. And of course there are a lot of GUI applications that can essentially be installed the same way you install on Windows. But there is always a small risk that that kind of installation breaks something else, depending on application in question.

If a user really wants to learn Linux and use it as the main OS, then absolutely first step is to have a mind shift and forget EVERYTHING Windows or MacOS and learn everything from scratch. EVERYTHING FROM SCRATCH. ...or all the user will be able to do is browse the web and do similar light tasks.

Edit: The user should not expect to cram 20 years of Windows knowledge into one day of Linux usage. It takes time to think differently and learn the Linux tools rather than Windows tools, since none of that knowledge apply in Linux.

SoFine409 · 10 Nov 2018

Compumind said:

To all -

Not meaning to stray off-topic.

If you really want to get into Linux, I strongly suggest Linux Mint.

Here are some resources...

Code:

https://linuxmint.com/

Code:

https://forums.linuxmint.com/

Code:

https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

Enjoy!

Agreed. Been playing with it for about a year now and I really like Mints graphic desktop. In fact just yesterday I put it on my 3rd windows pc (multiboot). It finds my network without issues and connecting to a shared network printer was easy.