Windows 10 October 2018 Update rollout now paused


  1. Posts : 29,078
    Windows 10 21H1 Build 19043.1023
       #3350

    Ghost82 said:
    I think I didn't explain myself properly. When saying 'when the s**t hits the fan' you can understan 'when the s**t spreads all over'. I'm not referring to fans as people who loves Microsoft or Windows. I guess we all here do, otherwise wouldn't be using Windows.

    By 'so called insiders' I'm not referring specifically to anyone here, and of course not to those, like you, who are on the insider program. I'm talking about actual Microsoft insiders (workers, CEO, people with 'contacts' or whatever...).
    In the first place, I have never heard Microsoft employees called Insiders. And no, I don't understand your rancor against Microsoft. Insider or not . . .

    When the Insider Program was first announced, it was to recruit people to "preview" (Microsoft's new word for beta test) Windows 10. An example of that recruitment follows as:

    Windows Insider Program | Get the latest Windows features

    Become an Insider: be one of the first to explore new Windows features for you and your business or use the latest Windows SDK to build great apps.

    If you look at the bottom right of the Windows page, you will see a watermark of the version that's running. Mine currently says: "Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview. As Insiders, we test the beta (and sometimes alpha) product Microsoft releases to us. The bottom line is that anyone who has signed the Windows Insider Program agreement is known as an Insider. Thus, when you denigrated Insiders, it hit a nerve.

    As far as I know, Microsoft employees are not Insiders, although those working on the Windows 10 code do test what they're working on.

    As an Insider, I respect what Microsoft is doing with Windows and take my "job" seriously and without rancor against Microsoft and its employees. There have been some great things done with Windows 10 and yeah, there have been some near disasters as well. 1809 is a prime example.

    For my part, I will continue to do my best to help make Windows 10 the best it can be. I will also continue to offer my opinion in the most diplomatic way possible.

    Like Mama always told me, "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." Although I still can't understand why she thought I wanted to catch flies.
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  2. Posts : 29,078
    Windows 10 21H1 Build 19043.1023
       #3351

    Josey Wales said:
    Those are called "Employees" Myself and many others are insiders that do this to help. The Employees get paid, we get Nada.
    Hey, Josey! Shawn cleaned up the OP's language; looks like you replied before he got to it! Maybe you could edit the quote accordingly?

    After all, this is a family site . . .
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  3. Posts : 3,105
    W10 Pro + W10 Preview
       #3352

    Mark Phelps said:
    There may be "millions" of Insiders, but there are probably less than 100 that generate the bulk of the feedback, and only a few of those who interact with MS on a daily basis.

    So, folks here are not complaining about MS not interacting with "millions" of Insiders; instead, they are complaining about the handful of Insiders that seriously report incidents to MS and get little or no feedback in return.

    Which begs the question -- what is the point of being a tester if your feedback is simply ignored?
    Not for one minute do I believe your figure of less than a hundred reporting the bulk on Feedback....if so I must be a rarity.
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  4. Posts : 15,485
    Windows10
       #3353

    I repeated a test (in a vm) that I did with original 1809 iso, with the new version from the Slow Ring.

    The vm was totally disconnected from web.

    1) Clean install 1803 on C Drive
    2) Shrink C Drive a little and create D:\documents
    3) Put FileC in c:\documents
    4) Put FileD in D:\documents
    5) Change location of documents from C to D (KFR) but leave FileC on C.
    6) Upgrade to 1809 by mounting iso and running setup.exe.

    When I did this orginally (using original iso), FileC in c:\documents got deleted as I expected.

    This time with the newer Slow Ring iso, FileC remained in place and was not deleted.

    Note :- no cumulative updates were installed as totally offline.

    So, from this test, it seems the file deletion issue has been fixed with the iso.

    One thing I noticed was the documents folder was reset to C drive but I guess that is normal.

    The next question in my mind is if updating via uup works ie online updating. Another day...........
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  5. Posts : 3,453
       #3354

    IMHO. the Insider program as it is should be scrapped...

    Perhaps too many "non-Poweruser" feedback and they get overwhelmed - not sure up-voting actually works..

    However, telemetry should be enough but the feedback hub is creating expectation..
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  6. Posts : 26,451
    Windows 11 Pro 22631.3527
       #3355

    AndreTen said:
    Can't agree with that Josey. There are zillion of different kind of users. Some want to play, some are workers, some are bored, some are doing real research …

    Be sure that MS is getting feedback, if user is reporting, or not. But they need both.

    And we need all of rings. Fast, slow, RP and skippy when it's time for it. But agree, that one new release per year would be enough. Not, that we wouldn't want to, but process is too risky, too many bugs get unnoticed.
    Then if they do not want to follow the protocol and do not have the time , they should not be an insider. I should have said some and not many.
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  7. Posts : 26,451
    Windows 11 Pro 22631.3527
       #3356

    Superfly said:
    IMHO. the Insider program as it is should be scrapped...

    Perhaps too many "non-Poweruser" feedback and they get overwhelmed - not sure up-voting actually works..

    However, telemetry should be enough but the feedback hub is creating expectation..
    It was better when Beta testing was done under a program called Connect. I agree that this should be either changed or scrapped as you said.
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  8. Posts : 15,485
    Windows10
       #3357

    Superfly said:
    IMHO. the Insider program as it is should be scrapped...

    Perhaps too many "non-Poweruser" feedback and they get overwhelmed - not sure up-voting actually works..

    However, telemetry should be enough but the feedback hub is creating expectation..
    Whatever happened to that idea there would be targeted peer groups (cannot remember exact term) who would provide initial feedback before the feature went to a bigger audience. Is the random choosing of those who get it related?
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  9. Posts : 26,451
    Windows 11 Pro 22631.3527
       #3358

    cereberus said:
    Whatever happened to that idea there would be targeted peer groups (cannot remember exact term) who would provide initial feedback before the feature went to a bigger audience. Is the random choosing of those who get it related?
    I believe it was called Connect and one had to apply and be chosen to particiapate.
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  10. Posts : 29,078
    Windows 10 21H1 Build 19043.1023
       #3359

    Josey Wales said:
    I replied to Slice and there is nothing that any family cannot read. Slice's post was not edited?

    Windows 10 October 2018 Update rollout now paused - Page 334 - Windows 10 Forums
    I wasn't referring to a post from Slice, Josey. It was the one you replied to and quoted.
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