Windows 10 October 2018 Update rollout now paused

Superfly said:

Yup, a standard Win 7 key could not activate a Win 7 SP1 image...

But you could upgrade to SP1 from standard so that key would work.

Any valid key still works whether its 7 or 7 SP1, last time i did was a year ago.


Roy

tomseys said:

Maybe I missed it but I think it is sorta strange how there is not much or really anything in terms of articles on CNN or Fox News about the 1809 situation. Here we have probably the biggest Windows/Microsoft update disaster of all time and certainly of Windows 10 and not a peep. They usually have articles on feature updates when they come out when nothing goes wrong or where there is a relatively minor problem. Sure there is a lot of news stuff going on but still.

OilerNut said:

Worst update of all time is a bit over dramatic, this isn't newsworthy.

Off the top of my head, the only one that comes close is XP's WGA debacle and that didn't destroy files.

Can you name a bigger one?

Stitch194 said:

You can't build without a solid foundation, In my books, Windows 10 does not have a sound foundation.

Agreed.

Anecdotally W10 (the official release) is the worst version of Windows.
Even the W10IPs prior to July 2015 were more reliable (considering they were Alpha/Beta software).

I've had to fix W10 almost as many times as W98 and W98 was easier to fix (I didn't have any Imaging software in those days).
At least W98 had the excuse that malware was getting in and breaking it.

XP & W7 have been far more reliable.

My main W7 PC is still on its 2014 install.
My media PC (W7 & XP) is still on its 2012 install.
Since every update this year has been broken I haven't installed any since December 2017.

Currently the record for W10 Pro (& W10 Home) is 18 months (1703).
The only reason they still work is they've been disconnected from the Internet.
MS can't get in and screw them up.

kado897 said:

No no crashes but it takes over an hour to do the Patch Tuesday updates on my old lappy even with the MRT hidden.

Are you downloading the updates and installing them manually?

You should not use Windows Update in W7, because MS has deliberately crippled it (multiple times) since just before the release of W10, to make it look like W10 was better.

CountMike said:

W10, just download a latest build.... done, no matter which build you start from.

Until next week when MS releases some new code and you have to reinstall it again, rinse & repeat, rinse & repeat, rinse & repeat, rinse & repeat ...

lehnerus2000 said:

Off the top of my head, the only one that comes close is XP's WGA debacle and that didn't destroy files.

Can you name a bigger one?


Agreed.

Anecdotally W10 (the official release) is the worst version of Windows.
Even the W10IPs prior to July 2015 were more reliable (considering they were Alpha/Beta software).

I've had to fix W10 almost as many times as W98 and W98 was easier to fix (I didn't have any Imaging software in those days).
At least W98 had the excuse that malware was getting in and breaking it.

XP & W7 have been far more reliable.

My main W7 PC is still on its 2014 install.
My media PC (W7 & XP) is still on its 2012 install.
Since every update this year has been broken I haven't installed any since December 2017.

Currently the record for W10 Pro (& W10 Home) is 18 months (1703).
The only reason they still work is they've been disconnected from the Internet.
MS can't get in and screw them up.


Are you downloading the updates and installing them manually?

You should not use Windows Update in W7, because MS has deliberately crippled it (multiple times) since just before the release of W10, to make it look like W10 was better.


Until next week when MS releases some new code and you have to reinstall it again, rinse & repeat, rinse & repeat, rinse & repeat, rinse & repeat ...

I was talking about not having to install W7 first and than to upgrade to W10 on same machine W10 was installed previously (upgraded or not).
BTW, I'm in Skip ahead ring since it's inception, Started with first "beta" W10 and been in fast ring all the time. Didn't do a clean install since first official release way back when, never since I had to do clean install despite some problems.
With XP it was easier to reinstall every 6 month and W7 every year than to muck around with repairs. Those were simpler times with much less complicated programs and smaller disks when in couple of hours one could reinstall everything, it would take me at least 3 days to bring everything to working state now after a full reinstall from bare metal.
Have full backup twice a week and no disaster can touch me. So yes, W10 is most reliable system for me.

Had mine on this PC from 10240, when it was clean installed. And staying on 1709.. for no idea how long.. although a couple of updates have reduced functions or stopped sthg working.

dalchina said:

Had mine on this PC from 10240, when it was clean installed. And staying on 1709.. for no idea how long.. although a couple of updates have reduced functions or stopped sthg working.

I have an Fast Ring VM that started life as a Technical Preview and never been clean installed since.

jimbo45 said:

Hi there.

...Why Windows needs so many and so frequent updates is a total mystery to me. …

Cheers
jimbo

Could it be testament to just how bad it is in the first place? The addition of ads along with the option for me to pay MS to block those exact ads tells us all something about the priorities there.

jimbo45 said:

Hi there.

W10 works reasonably on most hardware -- however unlike XP and W7 it comes with an absolute cludge of bloatware which most people AFAIK don't want -- and of course that stupid Store idea (copied from Apple and implemented poorly) doesn't help either.

Personally just get back to serving up a basic decent Windows GUI without bells and whistles(with a proper menu system for people who hate touch screens) and stop making or attempting to make it look like a mobile phone app.

3rd party developers will always find a market for any products that Windows lacks and people can then install or not - their choice.

Why Windows needs so many and so frequent updates is a total mystery to me.

I run Centos as well and a " yum update" command rarely shows any updates needed and I'm sure it's just as well if not better protected against "nasties" than any version of Windows.

Cheers
jimbo

In military it's called "Situation awareness and adequate response" as things never go as planed. MS is mostly reacting to (often imaginary) threats or situation changes sometimes overreacting but better safe than sorry. Adding new features increases threats and possibility of screw-ups necessitating more response and fixes and so ad nauseum. Welcome to progress .