Windows 10 October 2018 Update rollout now paused


  1. Posts : 15,502
    Windows10
       #1650

    IronZorg89 said:
    It seems that MS has already released a fix for the data deletion bug to members of the insider program. Also a new servicing stack update KB4465477 will be required:

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/window...10237760721960

    I have already tested it as I said earlier.
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  2. Posts : 2,557
    Windows 10 pro x64-bit
       #1651

    f14tomcat said:
    Yes, that was last Tuesday, Patch Tuesday. For the Release Preview Ring.
    For some reason, I knew you would already know about it.
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  3. Posts : 15,502
    Windows10
       #1652

    CountMike said:
    And I do, do, do bot not many do same do-do.
    n

    I would love to see a poll asking how many people ever backup data but in general polls on sites are often meaningless (either not large enough sample size or a biased user base - here most regulars know they should backup so that would slew any conclusions).

    In the end, standing outside a supermarket or in a high street and asking a lot of people at random is actually a more statistically meaningful polling technique.

    I can only say from personal experience that I think it is less than one in five to ten users that do back up data. Interestingly, many of those work in companies which do back up data, and they know that.

    I suspect laziness is a major factor as well - "Ah I'll do it tomorrow".
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  4. Posts : 15,063
    Windows 10 IoT
       #1653

    I'm pretty well the IT guy for my family and friends. If I ask my friends what operating system they have on their PC, they say Windows. If I ask what version I get the deer in the headlights look. Need I say more. They are all running the stock install and more than likely saving everything to their desktop. They haven't the slightest idea how or why they should backup their stuff. Thats how it goes for "I would say" a lot of users. Those that don't come here for instance.
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  5. Posts : 17,661
    Windows 10 Pro
       #1654

    cereberus said:
    On other sites, I see a lot of MS bashing going on with no evidence to really support things. Even here on a normally rational site people are overreacting (imo).
    Overreacting? Just to be sure I understand you correctly, people who lost their data because a mistake Microsoft made are overreacting?

    I have been a Microsoft fanboy as long as I can remember. I have used each and every Windows version since end of 1985 when Windows 1.0 was released (exception: never used WinME), both consumer versions and all Windows Server versions. I have loved Windows since that, never had any issues with Vista, was extremely happy with 8 & 8.1, and now I am as much a Windows 10 fanboy as you can be. I simply love it.

    But: For me, loving Microsoft products in general and Windows 10 in particular does not mean a motto "Let's only speak nicely about Windows". Microsoft and Windows Insider team caused something that should never happen, and we should be allowed to discuss about it.

    Microsoft, or rather Insider team released information about this in so downplaying and blatant way that it simply cannot be true, and if you Google and Bing a bit, you will see it by yourself.

    Windows Insider Blog said:
    We intentionally start each feature update rollout slowly, closely monitoring feedback before offering the update more broadly. In this case the update was only available to those who manually clicked on “check for updates” in Windows settings. At just two days into the rollout when we paused, the number of customers taking the October 2018 Update was limited. While the reports of actual data loss are few (one one-hundredth of one percent of version 1809 installs), any data loss is serious.
    OK, let's first look at that "at just two days into the rollout when we paused". A small mistake but downplaying starts here: the 1809 was pulled back just before midnight CEST on Friday the 5th, three days after it was released on the 2nd.

    Next, one single thread on Microsoft Answers. On Thursday the 4th, late evening CEST, 110 users on that thread had clicked I have the same question. At the moment 853 user have clicked that:

    Windows 10 October 2018 Update rollout now paused-image.png

    Let's play a game "Thinking is allowed". Let's assume that each and every user around the globe who lost their data would have clicked I have the same question on that page, no more users losing anything. According to Windows Insider team, accepting their figures that about 0.01% of those who upgraded lost their data, it would mean that 8,530,000 users had done the upgrade and 853 lost their files.

    Do you really think it is credible? Have you ever heard Microsoft pulling an upgrade back if only 0.01% for users are affected?

    In any case, the real number is of course much higher. As I mentioned earlier, just Google and Bing it.

    I will continue voicing my opinion and demanding Microsoft and Windows Insider team to produce a credible explanation about something that they really screwed up, something that should never happen, and had never happened in this scale if they would have released Release Preview ring upgrade at least a few days before releasing the GA version.

    If that is overreacting and you think I should not talk about it, I must disappoint you by telling that I will continue posting about it until the issue will be completely resolved and credible explanation given.

    Kari
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  6. Posts : 4,836
    Windows 10 preview 64-bit Home
       #1655

    cereberus said:
    n

    I would love to see a poll asking how many people ever backup data but in general polls on sites are often meaningless (either not large enough sample size or a biased user base - here most regulars know they should backup so that would slew any conclusions).

    In the end, standing outside a supermarket or in a high street and asking a lot of people at random is actually a more statistically meaningful polling technique.

    I can only say from personal experience that I think it is less than one in five to ten users that do back up data. Interestingly, many of those work in companies which do back up data, and they know that.

    I suspect laziness is a major factor as well - "Ah I'll do it tomorrow".
    Disagree entirely. Most Windows customers expect the OS to just to work. They are the backbone milch cow. They have the licence to use. If Microsoft , which licences Windows, fail to deliver what they promise, then Microsoft, under their own licence agreement, should be liable for any loss incurred?
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  7. Posts : 15,502
    Windows10
       #1656

    Fabler2 said:
    Disagree entirely. Most Windows customers expect the OS to just to work. They are the backbone milch cow. They have the licence to use. If Microsoft , which licences Windows, fail to deliver what they promise, then Microsoft, under their own licence agreement, should be liable for any loss incurred?
    Huh - what has that go to do with my statement about wondering how many people back up data.

    I am not talking just talking about the OS giving issues. Drives fail, people make mistakes etc.

    I also said in my experience, even people who are aware of need to backup often do not - laziness perhaps, or just too inconvenient etc.
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  8. Posts : 4,836
    Windows 10 preview 64-bit Home
       #1657

    cereberus said:
    Huh - what has that go to do with my statement about wondering how many people back up data.

    I am not talking just talking about the OS giving issues. Drives fail, people make mistakes etc.

    I also said in my experience, even people who are aware of need to backup often do not - laziness perhaps, or just too inconvenient etc.
    Just the fact that all on here are savvy to what can happen. What about those who don't? They're not lazy to do backups as they just don't know why they need to or even how to. They bought a licence to run Windows and that's it, I repeat that a lot, if not most, windows users, are totally ignorant of backing up their data.
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  9. Posts : 154
    WIndows 10 19042.804
       #1658

    I've seen more data loss from ransomware than losses caused by Microsoft. That is what has happened in my environment which consists of home and small office users. Drive failures are another major reason for data loss. It is quite expensive to get data off of a drive that has failed. It only takes one time for a user to get it. I have convinced people I like to install a backup hard drive and aquire a USB attached drive. I will install a hard drive free of charge for anyone who needs it. It's that important to me. Those who are complaining about MS should stop and think about their cloud and how their data could be corrupted. If it can happen on Windows 10 why not on MS servers? If it can it will.
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  10. Posts : 4,836
    Windows 10 preview 64-bit Home
       #1659

    people who are aware of need to backup often do not
    Fall under the
    They bought a licence to run Windows and that's it


    My experience.

    As the bye-the-bye anyone finding spellchecker not working quite correctly on this site? Shows correct spelling but wont change the word in text on the reply box?
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