Windows 10: Windows 10 October 2018 Update rollout now paused

  1.    6 Days Ago #1480

    cereberus said: View Post
    I am talking about how can Insiders test the fix. I know it has not affected me but would like to be active in testing the fix.

    I have decided to install 1803 in a vm, put a few files in documents folder and KFR to another partition/drive l, and then join Slow Ring and wait for the new update of 1809.

    I assume the update to 1809 will hit the Soiw Ring, as it is too late for the Fast Ring.

    I am also going to try updating 1803 as above in a separate VM using a current 1809 iso.

    Then at least I will have tested the new 1809.
    Everything you said here makes a lot of sense. You are a man of great patience. All you have to do now is to wait and see. Specifically, your 1803 in a VM should get updated soon if you are in a slow ring. And if anything goes awry, I am pretty sure you'll let us know. Good luck!
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       6 Days Ago #1481

    Reading through the last 30 pages or so I get the impression there is a significant misunderstanding about what happened and what the problem was determined to be.

    It's not that people used KFR to relocate their personal folders to another drive. It's that they didn't actually move their data from the old location to the new location.

    Once you use KFR, Windows now believes your personal folders are no longer located in C:\Users \xxxxx\Documents (for example) but in the new location you specified. Therefore the C:\Users\xxxxx\yyyyyyyyyy personal folders are not to be used and I guess they considered them junk. Stupid decision on Microsoft's part; why couldn't they just leave them alone and work with the new ones when doing the 1809 install? Maybe they were trying to prevent file/folder duplication?????

    So, VFR, in and of itself was not the cause of the problem. Not moving the data after using KFR was the cause.

    Edit: Changed VFR to KFR - thanks cereberus.
    Last edited by Ztruker; 5 Days Ago at 19:02.
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       5 Days Ago #1482

    Not saying MS wasn't wrong but why would you move your folders and then not move the contents? ( and I agree with your interpretation of the issue.)

    If you went into documents would not all your old documents be missing in that view of File Explorer.

    Maybe MS has to change the location logic. If you move the folder/library we will move the contents, no questions asked.
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  4.    5 Days Ago #1483

    Caledon Ken said: View Post
    Maybe MS has to change the location logic. If you move the folder/library we will move the contents, no questions asked.
    Or maybe MS should just tend to their own business and leave it up to users to decide whether to actually move the files and/or delete them from original locations.
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  5.    5 Days Ago #1484

    Sad news. The working name for 1809 is WinME.
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  6.    5 Days Ago #1485

    There are too many hazards associated with using the Location tab (Folder Redirection). It's simply to easy to make serious mistakes.

    I've never felt I could or should rely on that, and use my own folders created on a second disk, leaving the defaults where they are. They get filled with folders created by installed progs anyway.

    I suggest the relevant tutorial should come with a PC health warning.
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  7.    5 Days Ago #1486

    Ztruker said: View Post
    Reading through the last 30 pages or so I get the impression there is a significant misunderstanding about what happened and what the problem was determined to be.

    It's not that people used VFR to relocate their personal folders to another drive. It's that they didn't actually move their data from the old location to the new location.

    Once you use VFR, Windows now believes your personal folders are no longer located in C:\Users \xxxxx\Documents (for example) but in the new location you specified. Therefore the C:\Users\xxxxx\yyyyyyyyyy personal folders are not to be used and I guess they considered them junk. Stupid decision on Microsoft's part; why couldn't they just leave them alone and work with the new ones when doing the 1809 install? Maybe they were trying to prevent file/folder duplication?????

    So, VFR, in and of itself was not the cause of the problem. Not moving the data after using VFR was the cause.
    It is my understanding that the fix to be pushed for KFR (not VFR btw) will no longer delete the original files. The reason was (allegedly) to avoid duplication.

    I am not entirely convinced KFR is the only reason as I would have thought the file loss issue would be more common with tablet users, guys on hybrids with only 32bit who use KFR a lot but I guess these guys move everything as space is at such a premium.

    As an aside, when you use settings menus to move storage location for things like documents, I do not recollect that that asks you if you want to move the old files?

    So I think this may be a contributory factor?
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  8.    5 Days Ago #1487

    dalchina said: View Post
    There are too many hazards associated with using the Location tab (Folder Redirection). It's simply to easy to make serious mistakes.

    I've never felt I could or should rely on that, and use my own folders created on a second disk, leaving the defaults where they are. They get filled with folders created by installed progs anyway.

    I suggest the relevant tutorial should come with a PC health warning.
    I agree. I just comsider the user folders as temporary folders and manually back up valuable data elsewhere. I never link these folders direct to onedrive because, as you say, it is too easy to make a mistake.

    Worse is when people use symlinks for program file folder redirection as upgrades can break that big time.
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  9.    5 Days Ago #1488

    Cr00zng said: View Post
    Quote from the referenced link:



    The most important aspect of any type of system is data. How did this shady programming pass code review? And even if this passed the code review, how did it pass Q/A or Q/C?

    This certainly proves that the "Insider Review and/or Beta testers are not a replacement for MS internal Q/A or Q/C. Alternatively, the feedback hub isn't taken seriously by MS, where releasing the latest version of Candy Crush receives higher priorities, than some people participating in the previews reporting data loss. For the latter ones, the generic advise of always backup your data and system, or just do a fresh install are the accepted norm.

    This article from about four years ego pretty much foreshadowed this type of issues:

    Microsoft is done with its largest-ever layoff sweep | Computerworld
    I keep criticising Microsoft software QA. Do they adhere to international ISO standards and external audit?
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       5 Days Ago #1489

    cereberus said: View Post
    As an aside, when you use settings menus to move storage location for things like documents, I do not recollect that that asks you if you want to move the old files?
    I moved Docs folder to D: and have this (below image) in settings, I honestly do not understand what it means, if I moved Documents to "D:" would not Document have to be D: also in settings ?

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    as I many times have stated (also being bashed for that) Windows behaviour is random, illogical and untrustworthy.
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