New Windows 10 Insider Preview Fast Build 17751 - August 31 Insider

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  1. Posts : 50,055
    Windows 10 Home 64bit 21H1 and insider builds
       #70

    Ztruker said:
    From what I can see, it's a Computer Browser problem (as in Computer Browser component of networking, not IE, Edge, Chrome, etc).

    The network at the shop has anywhere from 3 to 7 computers, comprised (always) of 2 Windows 10 (1 Pro, 1 Home) computers and 1 to 5 other computers running Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10. The various computers come and go on the network like fireflies. The Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 computers see each other always and can see the Windows 10 computers sometimes.

    There is no identifiable reason why they can see each other one moment and not the next. It's incredibly frustrating that I have to revert to copying files to a flash drive to move them from either of the Windows 10 permanent system to the other systems I'm working with, and ditto moving diagnostic data back to the Windows 10 systems to look for solutions to problems.

    I don't understand why Microsoft can't fix this. It's 100% reproducible and should be easy to fix with source code and a debugger.
    Are they too busy working on bells and whistles and apps no one wants instead of fixing something like this which is at the absolute heart of networking?
    Works a lot better if you enable SMB1 but that's a security risk.
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  2. 24c
    Posts : 979
    Win 10 Prox64 - latest "final"
       #71

    @jimbo
    Thanks for the suggestion/info. I'm going take another look at my set up here and decide just how many other components I want to add. I really like no "no cables" set up, but new things are always fun to try.
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  3. Posts : 629
    windows 10
       #72

    installed and touchpad not working and had to install the latest drivers to get it to work.
    stopped my network on my usb and had to disable the network adapter it started up and restart my usb one.
    menu keeps popping when moving the mouse across the screen.
    no water mark.
    so far no other problems
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  4. Posts : 154
    WIndows 10 19042.804
       #73

    jimbo45 said:
    @24c

    Hi there

    Great way if you have 4 or any number of machine > 1 irrespective of actual Internet speed

    1) Get a cheap network 1 Gb/s 4 or 5 port switch only costs a few USD / EUR.

    From UK 12 GBP -- got mine less VAT so 10 EUR

    NETGEAR GS205-100UKS 5 Port Gigabit Ethernet Desktop Switch: Amazon.co.uk: Computers Accessories

    2) connect each computer to switch via ethernet / USB ethernet adapters if your PC's don't have direct ethernet.

    3)Connect switch via LAN to router. Only 1 cable needed.

    You will be amazed at difference in performance.

    I'm not a network guru but I know this works

    Also if your switch can't reach the router via LAN then use something like a Netgear Nighthawk extender -- plug the LAN from switch into the Nighthawk extender and the extender can communicate with the Router using both 2.4GHZ and 5 GHZ doubling the throughput -- even if your actual devices can't handle 5GHZ wifi. The switch will handle that side of the stuff.

    I'm amazed that there's not more literature on these sorts of switches for simple home users -- we aren't talking server farms here -- typical decent 5 port switch around 12 EUR. Difference in throughput is nothing short of amazing - especially if the original computers can't deal with 5GHZ wifi.

    The Nighthawk extender isn't the cheapest but well worth every penny / eurocent etc

    Buy NETGEAR Nighthawk EX7000-100UKS WiFi Range Extender - AC 1900, Dual-band | Free Delivery | Currys

    got one from UK (fortunately I get VAT back - Iceland is non EU although EEA)



    Cheers
    jimbo
    Hi Jimbo, I have all of my PC's hard wired through switches. I tried connecting them directly to my service router but it was slower and the build 17751.1 PC was still MIA.
    H
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  5. Posts : 14,046
    Windows 11 Pro X64 22H2 22621.1848
       #74

    Works a lot better if you enable SMB1 but that's a security risk.
    I have SMB1 enabled on all systems, makes no real difference. I have tried every one of the many suggestions posted here on tenforums and elsewhere, but none solve the problem. Microsoft needs to fix it.
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  6. Posts : 1,471
    Win10 Home x64 - 1809
       #75

    Yep ... MS really need to get their act together on the network sharing. I've been trying to compare the Lanman Server/WorkStation, TcpIpv4, TcpIpv6, SMB Client/Server settings in the registry to see what differences there are and what might affect network sharing.

    Probably an exercise in futility, but I got nothing better to do right now :)

    Just an observation ... Don't know if this might help or not and any input on this is appreciated.

    In the Lanman Server/WorkStation Parameters registry key, I've been seeing the following two keys that are NOT always present or NOT set the same and according to what I've read so far, they should be. Mine are set to the following and no issues with network sharing with Win10Pro IP (17751) or Win10 Home (1803).

    EnableSecuritySignature : 1
    RequireSecuritySignature : 0

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-smb-component

    I've also read that adding the following key to the Lanman Server Parameters is suppose to help with intermittent connections and throughput.

    Size : 3

    1 = Minimize Memory Use
    2 = Balance
    3 = Maximize Throughput for File Sharing and Maximize Throughput for Network Applications

    ==================================================================
    FWIW ... I put together this PowerShell script to try and make it easier to compare two computers.
    1. Makes NO changes to your PC
    2. It creates a .txt file on your Desktop
    Note: Assumes your Desktop Folder has NOT been moved ... Edit last line if needed

    Open PowerShell as Admin. Copy/Paste the following, making sure to hit enter after the last line.

    $(
    write-output "CHECKING LANMAM/TCPIP FOR COMPUTER $($env:computername) @ $(get-date -format g)"
    write-output "==============="
    write-output "LANMAN SERVER"
    write-output "==============="
    Get-ItemProperty -Path HKLM:SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanServer\Parameters
    write-output "==============="
    write-output "LANMAN WORKSTATION"
    write-output "==============="
    Get-ItemProperty -Path HKLM:SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanWorkstation\Parameters
    write-output "==============="
    write-output "TCPIP4"
    write-output "==============="
    Get-ItemProperty -Path HKLM:SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters
    write-output "==============="
    write-output "TCPIP6"
    write-output "==============="
    Get-ItemProperty -Path HKLM:SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip6\Parameters
    write-output "==============="
    write-output "SMB CLIENT CONFIGURATION"
    write-output "==============="
    Get-SmbClientConfiguration
    write-output "==============="
    write-output "SMB SERVER CONFIGURATION"
    write-output "==============="
    Get-SmbServerConfiguration
    write-output "==============="
    write-output "SMB CONNECTIONS"
    write-output "==============="
    Get-SmbConnection
    ) > "$($env:userprofile)\Desktop\$env:computername-LANMAN-TCPIP-SMB-CHECK.txt"
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  7. Posts : 100
    Mixed
       #76

    Those with the action center issue, flip background apps back to enabled in the privacy settings.

    Those without, flip it to disabled, kill shellexperiencehost and then hit the action center button,


    if you get a event viewer error instead citing the actioncenter dll, i think we have found the culprit for those crashes.

    Feedback was submitted to Feedback Hub - Windows Insider
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  8. Posts : 50,055
    Windows 10 Home 64bit 21H1 and insider builds
       #77

    Diceman2037 said:
    Those with the action center issue, flip background apps back to enabled in the privacy settings.

    Those without, flip it to disabled, kill shellexperiencehost and then hit the action center button,


    if you get a event viewer error instead citing the actioncenter dll, i think we have found the culprit for those crashes.

    Feedback was submitted to Feedback Hub - Windows Insider
    Works for me.
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  9. Posts : 100
    Mixed
       #78

    kado897 said:
    Works for me.

    Kill the shellexperiencehost after changing that setting in task manager so its like a fresh start, the action center will either pop up blank and then close or not show anything.
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  10. Posts : 50,055
    Windows 10 Home 64bit 21H1 and insider builds
       #79

    Diceman2037 said:
    hmm, yes, it does work in a new account, I guess its got another factor on top of the background app setting.
    Not a new account for me, It's my MS account.
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